Hi everyone , been awhile since I posted last. Hope everyone's doing fine. Why is Bama not throwing deep .Every team left on the schedule is going to stack the box the rest of the year.Just want to get some thoughts on this. I beleive this week against ole miss we will see It more./well I hope so anyway just to keep them honest.You don't have to complete them all just make them think about It.
Bama throwing deep
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Physical limitations at QB. This happened last year, he got popped a few times and starts to look short and quick or not at all. To reach the its fullest potential this offense needs a playmaker at every position. The opposing defense must be forced to defend every part of the field so the LOS is not crowded for our running game.
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that answer is complex, yet difficult. although I disagree with most of what has been posted so far. why have we gone away from the pistol formation the last 2 games? we don't seem to run it as much. why is the sky blue or water wet?:conf2: some things just can't be answered.
the offensive philosophy has changed , more short routes, wideout screens, and underneath crossing route. less vertical.
It may be that we are trying to take the air out of the ball,compliment the running game, shorten the game and protect a shaky young defense. I bet coach knows why
the offensive philosophy has changed , more short routes, wideout screens, and underneath crossing route. less vertical.
It may be that we are trying to take the air out of the ball,compliment the running game, shorten the game and protect a shaky young defense. I bet coach knows why
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Agree with throwing long to stretch the field. Last year however every team stacked the box and we still ran well.
last year, even Danielson brought it up in a late year game, Bama made at least one deep throw per quarter. even if it is incomplete, the safeties still have to respect it.
we have no answer for the fans. the team has been successful playing thus far with the west coast offense. spread the ball around, short passes, dump offs when pressured. we seem to have exceptional receivers in jones, hanks, and maze, but, we really dont test opposing defenses and their deep coverage. you cant tell me that julio jones is not every bit as big and strong as jeffreys, or any other receiver in the country. we have seen maze and hanks get open. i remember some real good pass receptions by trent, and mark in the spring. no more. i sometimes think we are too protective of our defense. we have a loss now, why not go out and have some fun, turn on the offense, and make teams play catchup.
Yesterday on the RoundTable Tyler Watts said he wishes Bama would throw the ball deep around two times a quarter. He said he didn't care what happens. He feels it would cause the defense to play back some and be more cautious.
I agree in the fact that the passing game has to go deep some in order to cause the safeties to back off. Maybe Greg isn't getting time to go deep; I don't know, but it sure would be nice to see the air attack go long once or twice or more.
I agree in the fact that the passing game has to go deep some in order to cause the safeties to back off. Maybe Greg isn't getting time to go deep; I don't know, but it sure would be nice to see the air attack go long once or twice or more.
well spoken good sir finally the truth that everyone can see plain as day. Our backs are getting banged up by 8 in the box each game.
It may have been just a pipe dream with me, but having watched Julio down here at Foley, I have thought that neither JPW nor McElroy has gotten the ball deep to him like could have been. Of course, I don't expect Julio to be here next year when McCarron takes over at QB.
I thought that McElroy brought the ball down just fine Saturday when Julio caught one in the end zone. It has been my opinion that McElroy has tended to sail the ball over Julio's head for well over a season.
By 'sailing' it, I mean I think he throws the ball too hard. Because the ball is so high and hard, Julio would have to catch it purely with his hands. They can talk all they want to about 'catching it with your hands,' but if the ball is thrown too hard, and you've got guys hanging on you and your arms, what are the odds of your catching the ball? You are much more likely to catch a ball in that situation if you can cradle it at least somewhat with your body.
A person of Julio's size and strength is still human. I think that he is more likely to wrestle a ball away from defenders that is thrown into his body than one that is thrown high over his head.
YOu notice that Spurrier had his quarterback to loft the ball softly over the DB's. With Spurrier, throwing the ball in traffic often has been a matter of touch at least as much as firing the ball at the receiver. Of course, different situations call for different ways of throwing the ball. I just get tired of seeing Julio having the ball sailed way over his head by McElroy.
John Parker tended to put more touch on a long pass that McElroy does, but JP's passes had a way of 'tailing' once they went a long way. I don't think that either one of those QB's has had enough faith in Julio (or his own passing arm) to throw it where Julio could have a chance to bring it into his body.
Julio played single safety at Foley when Todd Watson and staff saw the necessity for it. I personally can't remember much at all in the way of interceptions of balls headed for Julio. He is strong, and he knows the importance of knocking the ball away if he's not going to be able to catch it.
I may have overestimated Julio. I don't know. Maybe his pro experience will explain more about his potential. So far, I am not sure it has been reached at all in college.
I thought that McElroy brought the ball down just fine Saturday when Julio caught one in the end zone. It has been my opinion that McElroy has tended to sail the ball over Julio's head for well over a season.
By 'sailing' it, I mean I think he throws the ball too hard. Because the ball is so high and hard, Julio would have to catch it purely with his hands. They can talk all they want to about 'catching it with your hands,' but if the ball is thrown too hard, and you've got guys hanging on you and your arms, what are the odds of your catching the ball? You are much more likely to catch a ball in that situation if you can cradle it at least somewhat with your body.
A person of Julio's size and strength is still human. I think that he is more likely to wrestle a ball away from defenders that is thrown into his body than one that is thrown high over his head.
YOu notice that Spurrier had his quarterback to loft the ball softly over the DB's. With Spurrier, throwing the ball in traffic often has been a matter of touch at least as much as firing the ball at the receiver. Of course, different situations call for different ways of throwing the ball. I just get tired of seeing Julio having the ball sailed way over his head by McElroy.
John Parker tended to put more touch on a long pass that McElroy does, but JP's passes had a way of 'tailing' once they went a long way. I don't think that either one of those QB's has had enough faith in Julio (or his own passing arm) to throw it where Julio could have a chance to bring it into his body.
Julio played single safety at Foley when Todd Watson and staff saw the necessity for it. I personally can't remember much at all in the way of interceptions of balls headed for Julio. He is strong, and he knows the importance of knocking the ball away if he's not going to be able to catch it.
I may have overestimated Julio. I don't know. Maybe his pro experience will explain more about his potential. So far, I am not sure it has been reached at all in college.
that was sarcasm, right? because that was not an eye popping revelation. I am not a bright man, so, sometimes sarcasm is lost on me.
Not every statement made on this board will be eye popping.Sometimes people just say something that you already know.Why beat people up because of it? What has been said in this thread has been said a thousand times already.No harm in saying it again.
I was wondering that myself. I think everyone (coaches included) are well aware that opposing teams are putting 7-8+ in the box each play to stop our running game.
I understand what you are saying, but today the good quarterbacks don't throw it to so a receiver can catch it, but so the DB can't. sometimes thats hard and high. big strong hands are a must for a good receiver. throws made today would have been considered poor passes 10-15 years ago, passes like back shoulder throws would have been considered behind the receiver, etc.
the Dbs are more athletic and there simply isn't as much separation with new cover schemes. receivers have to go get the ball. even in the NFL you rarely see a receiver ' hit in stride' on long pass plays. and thats the idea of this thread, the vertical game or lack there of. However, I think julio has been under utilized in his time at UA. In fact, if he wasn't such a devastating blocker
he wouldn't be missed this week on the field.
Where did you hear that he wouldn't be on the field this week? I've heard the opposite.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/10/game_time_decision_it_sure_sou.html
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I didn't , I should say that if the injury keeps him off the field this week. let me further say that a healthy Julio and his size and strength to catch the deep ball was the one thing most people pointed to that made Bama so scary this year. made we have over scouted our tendencies and tried to out coach the situation before they happened
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Coach Saban said last night Julio is a game-time decision. If he can play, he will play.
That's all I have heard too. They said it was primarily a pain tolerance barrier. If he can stand the pain he can play. Considering he played 3/4 of the USCe game with it broke I fully expect to see No. 8 running routes. Doubt he will field the punts though.
I think I have noticed that our WRs sometimes don't do a good job against zone coverage. It seems to me that they almost run to the defender rather than finding the open spot and sitting down. But that may just be a perception based on a couple plays where it stood out to me.
In any event, I fully trust our staff to get things corrected and have us competing for the SEC title at the end of the year.
In any event, I fully trust our staff to get things corrected and have us competing for the SEC title at the end of the year.
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