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Billingsley now a 3 star

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Undra Billingsley is now listed as a 5.7 rated 3 star. That's still a very highly rated 3 star and I'm very glad that he is committed to UA, but I was just curious why it happened? Has he not participated in many camps this summer or did they just have to make room for other players they felt were more worthy of 4 star status? I know that stars don't matter and I could really care less how many stars a prospect has, I was just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention and ask why it might have happened. Roll Tide!

http://alabama.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=1&pr_key=63306
 
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it's a possibility that lack of camps was a reason, but I'm pretty sure he did at least one at Bama.

Regardless, he's one of the best in the state of AL. A good senior season and he'll bump back up.
 
Billingsley's star status was changed from a 4 star to a 3 star at Rivals.com. He has been a 3 star at Scout.com the whole time. Regardless of his star rating, I agree with RTO22 he is a very talented DE/DT and he will most likely move up to a four star before it is all said and done with. This is not directed at anyone in particular, just for the masses. It has been said at leat 15, 892 times but just remember that DeMeco Ryans and Tyrone Prothro were both 3 stars when they signed with Alabama.

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But in response to that, isn't it also at least partially true that perception of a school's recruiting can impact future recruiting?

Even though we know Billingsley is a very talented player, if our recruiting board were full of 3-star commits (like Auburn's is at the moment), wouldn't there be a perception that maybe things aren't going as well as another school full of 4-star commits? This is to say nothing about the 'true' talent level of the players involved, but rather the perception.

Highly regarded recruits certainly see when a class is 'hot', we've already seen several mentions of it from some of our current commits. If suddenly our class were of all three star players, would we be 'hot' any more?

I agree with you that star ranking often-times is off the mark in terms of how talented a player really is, but the star rankings aren't entirely devoid of value and/or impact... other recruits see these rankings and star ratings and it can entice them into a class if they think it's full of all-star talent

Billingsley being a 3 star doesn't mean he's any less talented, but it does mean that our recruiting class just got one star less 'spectacular' to the people who quickly glance at ratings, rankings, etc.
 
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very true, Vert....

However, I have heard several prospects mention him as someone they think highly of. I think he'll get it back by February.
 
There's a million examples of misses by the rating cabal :-) Scout had Antoine Caldwell and D.J. Hall as 2 stars, Castille a 3.

Ramzee Robinson, Demeco Ryans and Juwan Simpson were 1 stars - at the end of the recruiting season. Prothro was a 2 star.

Conversely, in 2005 Bama had a total of four 4 star players from Scout: Chris Keys, Mike Ford, Brandon Deadrick and Brandon Fanney.

Scout is clueless. Rivals is not much better.

Having said all of that, it is still better to have higher rated classes, but on a individual basis it does not mean much.
 
Perfect Example.

Damion Square is the highest rated member of our class according to Scout.com

Damion Square is rated the 13th best prospect in a list of 16 committed prospects according to Rivals.com

Discrepancy? I think so. . .
 
I don't want anybody to take my post the wrong way. I'm not trying to take anything away from Billingsley at all, I just thought everybody might like to know. Someone posted an article on here last week or so about what type of athlete and student Billingsley is and he quickly became one of my favorite recruits from this class. He's an exceptional young man and I think he is going to be a great player, regardless of his star rating. He got an offer from CNS, he's going to play for the Tide and that is all that matters to me. :BigA::)
 
Crimson Surfer said:
Billingsley's star status was changed from a 4 star to a 3 star at Rivals.com. He has been a 3 star at Scout.com the whole time. Regardless of his star rating, I agree with RTO22 he is a very talented DE/DT and he will most likely move up to a four star before it is all said and done with. This is not directed at anyone in particular, just for the masses. It has been said at leat 15, 892 times but just remember that DeMeco Ryans and Tyrone Prothro were both 3 stars when they signed with Alabama.

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runtheoption22 said:
Elder was a 2 star, and he's been the brightest of the freshman DL so far
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Did Jay Barker even have a star?
 
And as often as somebody mentions Ryans and so and so were a 2-star... people get excited when a 4 or 5 star guy commits. So lets go both ways here. People like to claim stars mean nothing but those same ones reply to threads about "How many five-stars will we get". There is no disrespect or diservice in saying that a 4 or 5 star rated player has a much great chance at being special -- not to say a 3 or 2 star can't.
 
Rankings can had special emphasis amongst the media/attention that a school gets. Yes, 4 and 5 stars can sway more 4 and 5 stars into the fold, and often do.

However, if you go to camps, you see who the players are, and the recruits see it as well. Several prospects bragged on Billingsley, Looney, and several others who are all now 3 stars.

The fact of the matter is, the meaning of "stars" gets lost. It is a predictor of how quickly a player will make an impact. 5 stars= possible starter as a true freshman. 4 stars= RS Fresh or Soph. etc, etc.

Stars don't take into consideration a weak depth chart and work ethic.
 
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Rankings can had special emphasis amongst the media/attention that a school gets. Yes, 4 and 5 stars can sway more 4 and 5 stars into the fold, and often do.

However, if you go to camps, you see who the players are, and the recruits see it as well. Several prospects bragged on Billingsley, Looney, and several others who are all now 3 stars.

The fact of the matter is, the meaning of "stars" gets lost. It is a predictor of how quickly a player will make an impact. 5 stars= possible starter as a true freshman. 4 stars= RS Fresh or Soph. etc, etc.

Stars don't take into consideration a weak depth chart and work ethic.
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Not to mention the intangibles like pulling on that crimson jersey. Even Fran and Curry mention the crimson magic, when average guys play above themselves because they are at Alabama.
 
Guess we were making too many headlines so they might drop 4 or 5 more down to 3 stars just to teach us a lesson!!! If the kid would of went to usc or nd he would of moved up!
 
Here's a thought about the star rankings. I think we've all seen Saban's handiwork on the recruiting trail. A player may be listed as this level or that based on talent alone. I'd think as a coach gets to know a player he learns a little more about them than their physical talents. With that said, Coach Saban sees something about a player that makes him want them, and that's good enough for me.
 
Today on Rivals:

the barners have the following recruits:

8-3*'s & 1 no* = 9 total

From:

Ga, Al, Ga, Fl, Fl, MS, MS, Fl & KS

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin2::biggrin::biggrin:
 
BamaInBham said:
There's a million examples of misses by the rating cabal :-) Scout had Antoine Caldwell and D.J. Hall as 2 stars, Castille a 3.

Ramzee Robinson, Demeco Ryans and Juwan Simpson were 1 stars - at the end of the recruiting season. Prothro was a 2 star.

Conversely, in 2005 Bama had a total of four 4 star players from Scout: Chris Keys, Mike Ford, Brandon Deadrick and Brandon Fanney.

Scout is clueless. Rivals is not much better.

Having said all of that, it is still better to have higher rated classes, but on a individual basis it does not mean much.
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BamaIB,I understand your point,but just want to get you the facts on what a 1 * means only that the prospect has not been scouted and could be 2-5 star.That said,DR was rated a 3* at most times,and if he was changed to 1*it meant he was not clear to the service what his rating was! To be honest the worst ranking is 2*.However,that said so many prospects slip through the cracks that it's best to have a good staff to eval the players and let the stars fall as they will!
 
Everyone needs to realize that these star ratings really dont mean anything other than MAYBE the five stars. I mean Billingsly is the same player regardless of how many stars his has. If Saban thinks he can play, then he can play. I do think that the 5 stars are the ones that are just that much better than the rest. Here is to hoping that we rack up on those. However, the three and four stars I take with a grain of salt. As mentioned earlier, Prothro and Demeco, two of the best players at their positions in the SEC were only 3 stars.
 
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