Brandon Spikes THUG Play vs UGA
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PDX Gator:
You keep bringing up the Courtney Upshaw situation as a comparison to this one, so be so kind as to give me the particulars of that case that make it comparable to attempting to injure someone to the point of blinding them.
I haven't seen any article that provided any details other than these:
1.) Upshaw and his girlfriend were both arrested for domestic violence.
2.) Police say that Upshaw grabbed the girl's forearm and pushed her away when she attempted to slap him.
3.) The father of the girlfriend stated that she likely initiated the confrontation.
4.) Both parties dropped charges against each other.
5.) Both parties were ordered to attend anger management classes.
It appears to me that Upshaw's primary crime is that he didn't just walk away instead of attempting to defend himself. If you have proof that he did something more malevolent than this, then bring it to my attention. I only have news articles that contain excerpts from police reports upon which to base my conclusions. I'd like to know more. If I should see his actions in some other light, then tell me why and back it up with proof. If you can't show such proof to back up your implications of his action, then I would have to conclude that you are allowing YOUR team allegiance to distort your judgement.
I need no other proof to know what Spikes did. I and many others have seen the video evidence of Spikes actions. I don't have to embelish second-hand reports to come to the conclusion that he committed a malicious act.
You keep bringing up the Courtney Upshaw situation as a comparison to this one, so be so kind as to give me the particulars of that case that make it comparable to attempting to injure someone to the point of blinding them.
I haven't seen any article that provided any details other than these:
1.) Upshaw and his girlfriend were both arrested for domestic violence.
2.) Police say that Upshaw grabbed the girl's forearm and pushed her away when she attempted to slap him.
3.) The father of the girlfriend stated that she likely initiated the confrontation.
4.) Both parties dropped charges against each other.
5.) Both parties were ordered to attend anger management classes.
It appears to me that Upshaw's primary crime is that he didn't just walk away instead of attempting to defend himself. If you have proof that he did something more malevolent than this, then bring it to my attention. I only have news articles that contain excerpts from police reports upon which to base my conclusions. I'd like to know more. If I should see his actions in some other light, then tell me why and back it up with proof. If you can't show such proof to back up your implications of his action, then I would have to conclude that you are allowing YOUR team allegiance to distort your judgement.
I need no other proof to know what Spikes did. I and many others have seen the video evidence of Spikes actions. I don't have to embelish second-hand reports to come to the conclusion that he committed a malicious act.
Well yea I have seen and been there, but I never got it or seen it that way before. Call me what you will but I never went that far or got it like that either! On a football field.
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Agreed!!!!if it helps any, i've always thought of UGA as having low rent, dirty players
Wasn't trying to be harsh. There's a reason why God says "vengeance is mine." It's because only he knows the hearts of men.
Humans can only suspect and guess. Sadly, we're wrong all too often.
I think the half game suspension is a joke. A full game would be about right. I don't know if Spikes has a prior history of being a bad guy, so that would add to it if he is in fact dirty. The UGA player is fine to my understanding. If the Dawg player suffered injury, Spikes would be punished more harshly. I know it was a bad play to state the obvious, but I do believe in handing out punishment judiciously and without emotion.
Yes because pushing a ref is comparable to trying to poke someone's eyes out.
If you want to persuade anyone here, you might need to pick some better analogies. You know, one that actually make sense.
Also, I believe it is a full game suspension, but usually part of the game in which the attack occurred counts. Example, in 07, an Arkansas player hit one of our players wit his helmet. He was suspended for the rest of the game and half of the next one. Seeing as Spikes was not punished in the Georgia game, it would be a one game suspension...
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Yes because pushing a ref is comparable to trying to poke someone's eyes out.
If you want to persuade anyone here, you might need to pick some better analogies. You know, that actually make sense.
I agree. I think this is worse than Blount's punch against Boise State. I think the fact that Meyer suspended him for just a half is worse than if he had not suspended him at all. To me, it seems like he is sending the message that he does not care what happened, but the media expects him to do something so he suspends him one half against the worst team in the SEC.
Rolando's "push" was no malicious. Would you rather be pushed or have someone poking at your eyes when you can do nothing about it?
Seems to me that you can't talk about punishment without putting the crime in the proper context. If Spikes decided to attack a nun walking across a crosswalk in the middle of the street and attempted to gouge her eyes out, then I think he would deserve at least 3-4 game suspension However, he was retaliating for earlier dirty play by UGA players. Basically most people agree that UGA fans are the trashiest low-class scum in college football and it doesn't surprise me that behavior oozes onto their football team. So if Spikes is retaliating for earlier offenses to himself and to his teammates, then I think a half game if appropriate. The ref should have stopped all the bs a lot earlier and started throwing players out of the game. I have been in situations where refs didn't do their job and it ended up in me trying to end a player's career and him trying to do the same to me. After the game I had no animosity to the player- if the refs had done their job it never would have escalated to the point it did. I think that is exactly the situation Spikes found himself in. Sometimes you got to let your opponent know that their will be serious consequences if he tries to cheap shot you. When refs won't protect the players, it is your duty as a teammate to protect them.
However, he was retaliating for earlier dirty play by UGA players. Basically most people agree that UGA fans are the trashiest low-class scum in college football and it doesn't surprise me that behavior oozes onto their football team. So if Spikes is retaliating for earlier offenses to himself and to his teammates, then I think a half game if appropriate. The ref should have stopped all the bs a lot earlier and started throwing players out of the game. I have been in situations where refs didn't do their job and it ended up in me trying to end a player's career and him trying to do the same to me. After the game I had no animosity to the player- if the refs had done their job it never would have escalated to the point it did. I think that is exactly the situation Spikes found himself in. Sometimes you got to let your opponent know that their will be serious consequences if he tries to cheap shot you. When refs won't protect the players, it is your duty as a teammate to protect them.If i were in charge of the SEC, i would make sure Spikes never played another down of college football. And if i were the Ga. player, i would file criminal assault charges. There is absolutely no reason for that kind of crap. Hopefully before the season is over he'll be payed back for this by having both of his legs broken. Nothing i've seen in football has made me madder than that.
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To the Florida fan who countered with Rolando McClain pushing a refereee, the official had the option of calling a penalty but did not. McClain intention was not to injure the official. Can you say the same for Spikes? My guess is you and most if not all Florida fans would be outraged if the roles had been reversed. And rightly so. Whether Spikes was "retaliating" or not is not is irrelevant and should not be used as an excuse for his actions the way Meyer tried to do. I also feel Mike Slive is just as wrong as Meyer. If Slive thinks sitting out for half a game for eye gouging is enough, then he owes the crew of officials he suspended 2 games(or whatever time it was) for making bad calls an apology. Meyer's idea of punishment for this offense is not appropriate. If it does anything, it gives the impression that winning a game is more important than sportsmanship and doing what is right. The SEC needs to remove their commercial on practicing sportsmanship if this is the way they are going to operate.
to the Florida fans on this thread
I guess this means you guys are no longer upset about Darnell Dockett at FSU trying to injure Earnest Graham's leg and step on Rex Grossman's hand back in the day? I seem to recall the gator fans and their coaches going nuts trying to get dockett suspended or kicked out of football. I guess Dockett was just retaliating so it's ok?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/sports/football/01dockett.html
the internet has a long memory Gators, be consistent. Spike's should sit for at least one game
J
I guess this means you guys are no longer upset about Darnell Dockett at FSU trying to injure Earnest Graham's leg and step on Rex Grossman's hand back in the day? I seem to recall the gator fans and their coaches going nuts trying to get dockett suspended or kicked out of football. I guess Dockett was just retaliating so it's ok?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/01/sports/football/01dockett.html
the internet has a long memory Gators, be consistent. Spike's should sit for at least one game
J
it isn't????? im no gator apologist, but don't ya think repeated eye gouges from UGA players on UF players is somewhat, even remotely in a kinda sorta way "relevant?"
how about that chop block on Cody last yr. That definitely irritated me much more.
So I take it you're a "two wrongs make a right" sorta guy, then? For the record, BS wears a visor on his helmet, so there's zero chance he was retaliating for his own eyes being gouged.
There are avenues, such as talking to the coaches and / or refs, to address this without having to resort to behaving like a street thug.
Making excuses for dirty play is sad.
If I recall, did Rolando get upset due to a cheap shot after the play and was a no call by the refs who where getting between Ro and the other player? The ref got into the mix at the point when Ro was at his peek of anger. Just my remembered observation of the play.
So, it is a good debate. What should be the standard? What should we do about cheap shots, eye poking, ref pushing, etc., etc.?
The sport is violent, but at what point is enough? Should we let them go until blood is drawn? How much blood is too much? Do we need to see death to get our money's worth? If it was your son playing, would you have a different opinion?
I don't see any of these answers coming soon. I hope our team plays with a higher standard.
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