Bryce Brown Predictions?

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I have just been reading a thread about Bryce Brown's visit to LSU, on Tigerrant (Tigerdroppings.dot.com). I had trouble following the text messaging-type dialogue, but I think I got the main issue of the conversation.

Seems that Bryce was there with an entourage ("posse"), and that while this group was in a Baton Rouge bar, one of them may have "pulled a gun," and another may have done something unmentionable on the floor of the bar.

Now, this may or may not be anything more than unfounded rumor. But the least that can be said for it is that Miami has pulled its scholarship offer to Brown, and these incidents conjure up memories of another Les Miles recruit, Ryan Perilloux.

If I remember correctly, Nick Saban had a chance to recruit Perriloux before leaving LSU, and because he did NOT recruit him, Perilloux suddenly committed to Texas, though it was pretty plain that he had wanted to go to LSU. Just as suddenly, Saban was off to Miami, in came Miles, and then Miles signed Perilloux to an LSU scholarship. Perilloux seemed to have a penchant for getting into trouble in bars, and he was gone from LSU, kicked off the team by Miles, after leading them as a sophomore, I believe, to a win in the SEC championship game. I have a friend in Jacksonville, Alabama, who says that Perilloux has not necessarily done great things at Jacksonville State.

Saban has stated very plainly that he was taught by Bill Belichick how to choose football players. Rush Limbaugh talked about this very thing this past week, saying that Belichick tries to determine if a guy eat, sleeps, and thinks football before he considers signing him.

I still don't think that a lot of people believe it when it is said that Les Miles won his national championship with Nick Saban's players. Les Miles did not recruit those players, and he didn't coach 'em up from high school-age either. Saban did.

Another thing -- I haven't heard one thing to the effect that Nick Saban has given this guy Bryce Brown a second look. Brown is of course ranked by Rivals as the number one player in the 2009 class. In 2005, Perriloux was ranked as the number one quarterback in the country coming out of East St. John High School, in south Louisiana.

The LSU people are holding out hope that this year's giant recruiting class means that "The Hat" is to be reckoned with. I think that what they are probably missing is the fact that Les still hasn't proven that he knows which players to choose in the first place. And Nick Saban has pretty clearly proven that he does know which ones to sign, and which ones to leave alone. Saban evidently knows psychology; "The Hat" apparently does not.

From the LSU thread on Tigerrant, it appears that Brown is supposed to choose between LSU and Tennessee sometime this month.
 
From the LSU thread on Tigerrant, it appears that Brown is supposed to choose between LSU and Tennessee sometime this month.

Nice post........minus 10 points for referencing Rush Limbaugh discussing anyone else's character.:)

Looks like a win for everyone else in the SEC whichever way he goes IMO.
 
The 16th is his announce day. He is going to make his announcement at the Kansas Hall of Fame.

I was trying to find something about his LSU visit.

I know you guys have no interest in this kid. He may be nothing but trouble. At the same time, UT did not sign a QB and only signed one RB, 3 star Toney Williams. I would love to have Brown at TN, based on talent. At the same time, I would prefer a player that is not going to get in trouble.

I think we would love to sign a top back...Oku and Brown are still there and they could both be trouble. Then again, they could sign and be good once they got to college.

We want the talent...but not the potential trouble
 
One thing I was told by someone who matters is Nick Saban told Les Miles to leave Ryan Perriloux alone let him go to Texas and go after Colt McCoy. We see how that turned out. Les went after Perriloux and Texas shifted gears and went after Colt McCoy.

Now I will sit back and wait for the LSU guys to come along and debunk this old wives tale. ;)
 
The 16th is his announce day. He is going to make his announcement at the Kansas Hall of Fame.

I was trying to find something about his LSU visit.

I know you guys have no interest in this kid. He may be nothing but trouble. At the same time, UT did not sign a QB and only signed one RB, 3 star Toney Williams. I would love to have Brown at TN, based on talent. At the same time, I would prefer a player that is not going to get in trouble.

I think we would love to sign a top back...Oku and Brown are still there and they could both be trouble. Then again, they could sign and be good once they got to college.

We want the talent...but not the potential trouble

And Brown seems to be both. So, do you personally want him to represent TN or not? Just be a man and make a decision :).
 
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Whether or not this tale is true, I'm still hoping he signs with LSU, and frankly I think they've got a good shot.

He's an elite talent, to be sure, but he comes with more baggage than UPS can handle, and he might be coming with an NCAA investigation for whoever the "winner" in this saga happens to be.

Either way, at this point it certainly seems like either LSU or Tennessee, and that's good news for Alabama.
 
Million dollar talent, 10 cent brain. This kid will be nothing but trouble for whoever he signs with IMO. Not to mention all the baggage that's going to come with his pimp/agent Brian Butler (whom the NCAA is already investigating)
 
And Brown seems to be both. So, do you personally want him to represent TN or not? Just be a man and make a decision :).

Yes....we need the talent. From there I would expect the coaching staff to take of the rest.

I manned up :)
 
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Whether or not this tale is true, I'm still hoping he signs with LSU, and frankly I think they've got a good shot.

He's an elite talent, to be sure, but he comes with more baggage than UPS can handle, and he might be coming with an NCAA investigation for whoever the "winner" in this saga happens to be.

Either way, at this point it certainly seems like either LSU or Tennessee, and that's good news for Alabama.
From him supposedly saying he wanted to be surrounded by the same talent level as him, not sure if that quote was true or not.

If that quote is true...I am sure he will probably choose LSU, unless Kiffin and staff can sell him on getting him to the NFL.
 
I think Kiffikins would love to have Brown on his team. But I also think, he sees where this may go. Either way, there would be two completely different stories coming from his mouth, depending on Brown's (or his handler's) decision. If he choses TN, Kiffikens would be all over him, praising the kid's talent. If it's LSU, he would be all over his off-field issues and claiming TN wasn't really interested in him despite his talents.

He will never admit that he lost a battle - there would always be an excuse. Not until he grows up. Of course, I reserve a right to eat my words back if I'm wrong.
 
If Bryce signs with LSU it will be because LSU cheated (per Kiffin)
If Bryce signs with Tennessee it will be because LSU didn't offer him (per Les)
 
One thing I was told by someone who matters is Nick Saban told Les Miles to leave Ryan Perriloux alone let him go to Texas and go after Colt McCoy. We see how that turned out. Les went after Perriloux and Texas shifted gears and went after Colt McCoy.

Now I will sit back and wait for the LSU guys to come along and debunk this old wives tale. ;)

You're right about that last part.

Colt committed to UT on May 15th, 2004, some eight months before signing day. Perrilloux committed to UT on July 26th, 2004. On October 27th, Tigerrag (now Tigersportsdigest) reported that JF and NS were targeting Colt McCoy in case RP did go to UT. Nothing came of it, as before NS left Colt solidified his committment to UT (article dated Dec. 14th). Saban might have told Miles to go after McCoy, but it would be untrue to say that UT switched gears and went after McCoy.

Now some LSU people insist that if RP went to UT, then CM would have gone to LSU. I find this hard to believe, as RP was still "committed" to Texas as of signing day, and news only leaked of the switch when one of the scout guys saw a text message Perrilloux sent to tight end Martellus Bennett trying to convince to go to LSU. If Colt was unhappy with Texas recruiting RP, then why didn't he de-committ after RP committed? Colt would have had to know what RP was going to do before anyone else did before he could have made his decision. Or just wait until he saw where RP was going to fax his LOI before making his own decision. RP faxed his in at around 8 a.m., so the possibility exists that Colt intended to go the opposite direction as RP, but I find it hard to believe that he would have gone to a school that he didn't officially visit, or one that did not recruit him consistently from the time he was a prospect until mid-October.

Now some might say that NS stopped recruiting RP at some point, which might explain away why Saban would have told Miles to go after McCoy. Jimbo Fisher continued to recruit RP, as Matt Deville notes in an article right after the annoucement that "[a]ccording to sources in Reserve, La., Perrilloux said LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher being retained by new head coach Les Miles http://louisianastate.scout.com/a.z?s=107&p=8&c=1&nid=1663285 was the deciding factor in his decision to come to LSU." It remains doubtful in my opinion that JF would disobey NS (considering the type of coach he is) and continue to recruit RP unless that order never came from NS.

And now for the claim itself. It seems slightly ridiculous that out of all the things going on after NS's departure from LSU to Miami, he would be sure to tell Miles of this one thing. Saban did in fact leave detailed notes on each player that I am sure Miles appreciated, but it seems unbelievely ridiculous to take at face value this anecdote. But this is just my very humble opinion.
 
You're right about that last part.

Colt committed to UT on May 15th, 2004, some eight months before signing day. Perrilloux committed to UT on July 26th, 2004. On October 27th, Tigerrag (now Tigersportsdigest) reported that JF and NS were targeting Colt McCoy in case RP did go to UT. Nothing came of it, as before NS left Colt solidified his committment to UT (article dated Dec. 14th). Saban might have told Miles to go after McCoy, but it would be untrue to say that UT switched gears and went after McCoy.

Now some LSU people insist that if RP went to UT, then CM would have gone to LSU. I find this hard to believe, as RP was still "committed" to Texas as of signing day, and news only leaked of the switch when one of the scout guys saw a text message Perrilloux sent to tight end Martellus Bennett trying to convince to go to LSU. If Colt was unhappy with Texas recruiting RP, then why didn't he de-committ after RP committed? Colt would have had to know what RP was going to do before anyone else did before he could have made his decision. Or just wait until he saw where RP was going to fax his LOI before making his own decision. RP faxed his in at around 8 a.m., so the possibility exists that Colt intended to go the opposite direction as RP, but I find it hard to believe that he would have gone to a school that he didn't officially visit, or one that did not recruit him consistently from the time he was a prospect until mid-October.

Now some might say that NS stopped recruiting RP at some point, which might explain away why Saban would have told Miles to go after McCoy. Jimbo Fisher continued to recruit RP, as Matt Deville notes in an article right after the annoucement that "[a]ccording to sources in Reserve, La., Perrilloux said LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher being retained by new head coach Les Miles http://louisianastate.scout.com/a.z?s=107&p=8&c=1&nid=1663285 was the deciding factor in his decision to come to LSU." It remains doubtful in my opinion that JF would disobey NS (considering the type of coach he is) and continue to recruit RP unless that order never came from NS.

And now for the claim itself. It seems slightly ridiculous that out of all the things going on after NS's departure from LSU to Miami, he would be sure to tell Miles of this one thing. Saban did in fact leave detailed notes on each player that I am sure Miles appreciated, but it seems unbelievely ridiculous to take at face value this anecdote. But this is just my very humble opinion.

Those would be the notes I was referring to. Apparently Nick didn't think it was a done deal with McCoy and it was still a long time till signing day.
 
Those would be the notes I was referring to. Apparently Nick didn't think it was a done deal with McCoy and it was still a long time till signing day.
Just another example of Coach Saban's fire to not give up on guys. That's another reason he recruits so well.
 
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