CFN: Michigan vs Alabama Prediction, College Football Playoff Rose Bowl Prediction Game Preview

[DzynKingRTR]

Brady at Michigan was probably the most disrespected player ever. Everyone acts like Alabama fans were horrible to Jalen, but Michigan’s treatment of Brady was far worse… Especially in 1999. It got to the point that Carr even benched him vs Nick Saban because he got so much pressure to play Drew Henson and it probably costed them a national championship.

Any Michigan fan claiming Tom Brady as one of their own is too young to know the details or are desperately trying to ignore the time period between 2001-2016 by claiming the greatest quarterback in the nfl and ignoring all the booing and letters written to the AD that they did.

I wonder what the percentage of fans there is that even know Brady played at michigan?
I don't think I have ever heard Brady talk about his former school at all in a postive way. Jalen on the other hand, has nothing but nice things to say about Alabama.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I think last time Michigan beat Alabama (I remember a heckuva New Years party the night before), Tom Brady brought them back from two td’s down—twice. If they have somebody like that they have a good chance. After all, we didn’t know who Brady was at that point in time, and I don’t think they did either.

True story:

On January 1, 2000, Tom Brady took a Michigan team that trailed an Alabama squad that had 28 points on the scoreboard by two scores in the third quarter and brought them back to win on the final play of overtime.

Did I mention my NFL team is the Atlanta Falcons?

6,245 days later, Tom Brady took a New England team that trailed an Atlanta team that had 28 points on the scoreboard by two scores in the third quarter and brought them back to win on the final play of overtime.

Tom Brady has inflicted more damage on me than the Philadelphia Phillies and that's saying something.

 

[BloodyTusk]

Alabama by 17pts

 

[81usaf92]

I wonder what the percentage of fans there is that even know Brady played at michigan?
I don't think I have ever heard Brady talk about his former school at all in a postive way. Jalen on the other hand, has nothing but nice things to say about Alabama.

A lot of push about Brady being look at as a Michigan legend started happening around the Hoke and Rich Rod eras. Brady actually gave a pretty “y’all can go to hell” documentary about his time at Michigan called the “Brady 6”. It’s one of the few times I’ve actually heard Brady openly say something truly negative about a program that he was at.

Harbaugh is more of the true blue hero than Brady ever was. But they have to have something to cheer about with the decades of mediocrity that they endured since that Orange Bowl. But they constantly booed him when he took the field and cheered when Henson took the field that year until Saban’s defense proved who was the better quarterback.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I wonder what the percentage of fans there is that even know Brady played at michigan?
I don't think I have ever heard Brady talk about his former school at all in a postive way. Jalen on the other hand, has nothing but nice things to say about Alabama.

True story: Brady's backup at Michigan was a guy named Drew Henson. When I moved to Dallas in 2005 - before Romo finally was fully ensconced as the starter - there were newspaper articles in the Dallas paper pointing out Henson "put Brady on the bench at Michigan" and "Brady has won 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and Henson is a better QB."

I'm. Deadly. Serious.

 

[81usaf92]

True story: Brady's backup at Michigan was a guy named Drew Henson. When I moved to Dallas in 2005 - before Romo finally was fully ensconced as the starter - there were newspaper articles in the Dallas paper pointing out Henson "put Brady on the bench at Michigan" and "Brady has won 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and Henson is a better QB."

I'm. Deadly. Serious.

Henson was a high draft pick for the Yankees and the fans were totally concerned about him choosing to forgo college to go into the mlb. Alot of the animosity towards Brady was largely due to that reality.

I still think the 2000 orange bowl was a matchup of the two best teams in the country who were handicapped by moron coaches.

 

[hfhmilkman]

None of us have a problem with Fiutak picking Michigan.

All of us have a problem with what amounts to superficial analysis from a guy whose job is to analyze.

He picks Michigan data points from late in the season, Alabama points (mostly) from early in the season, and pretends he's laid out the "why." It sure seems to me that "A/M held them to 23 yards rushing" is far less relevant than "Alabama exceeded 100 yards rushing on UGA despite not having their best running back in the game," since we're talking about playing at peak time versus peak team.

Michigan may well stifle the Alabama offense. It's just we've seen this movie the last couple of years, and it has seen Michigan surrender 34 and 51 points in two playoff losses. Does that play a prime determinant in who wins?

No.

But it has far more relevance than "hey, way back here Clemson put together a mini-dynasty and so did UGA, so maybe it's Michigan's time."

If you want a real good analysis, read the feature articles on mgoblog. Alex Drain just wrote up a feature on the Alabama offense. They back up their positions with data and video clips of the most meaningful games, in this case the Alabama<>Georgia game. At this point they are not interested in making predictions but breaking down what Alabama is. They may be wrong. However, if you are looking for someone to back up their opinion with data, here are some folks who try.

 

[hfhmilkman]

A lot of push about Brady being look at as a Michigan legend started happening around the Hoke and Rich Rod eras. Brady actually gave a pretty “y’all can go to hell” documentary about his time at Michigan called the “Brady 6”. It’s one of the few times I’ve actually heard Brady openly say something truly negative about a program that he was at.

Harbaugh is more of the true blue hero than Brady ever was. But they have to have something to cheer about with the decades of mediocrity that they endured since that Orange Bowl. But they constantly booed him when he took the field and cheered when Henson took the field that year until Saban’s defense proved who was the better quarterback.

Do you know for a fact that Brady was constantly booed or is this hearsay? I am only asking because that is not what I recall. There is no doubt that there were fans who were excited about Henson since he was the local super athlete with the really deep radio voice. What is also forgotten is that Tom Brady is a self made man and QB. He became the GOAT because he kept getting better. Tom Brady was a very good college QB. He was beat out by Brian Griese in 1997 who ended up having a nice meat & potatoes NFL career. Who knows what Drew Henson could have been if he stuck with football. The conspiracy theory is Steinbrenner as a Buckeye fan gave Henson an unprecedented contract to play minor league baseball to remove him as a threat to OSU. Too bad for Henson he was like so many other great athletes in that he could not handle a curve ball. Back to Brady, in college he was not the superstar that he would eventually become. His measurables after NFL evaluation was an afterthought of a pick by NE. A lot of NFL franchises did not think much of him either, certainly less then even pessimistic Michigan fans. It's not exactly like he blew people away his first few years. Those first few NE teams were built around Belichick bringing back the 3-4 and having a monopoly of all the best 3-4 ends, and linebackers. No one was saying that Tom Brady was a GOAT much less an elite QB back in 2005 when Tom Brady was 28 years old.

There are cases of QB's who figure it out after several years. There is the story of Jim Plunket who bombed with the 49'ers and won a SB with the Raiders. There is Geno Smith today. Brady is unique in his improvement curve never stopped. He just got better when other QB's plateaued or faded. In our age of instant gratification, is there a franchise willing to wait for a QB to hit 30 before he is playing at an all pro level? Can a Mahomes, Burrows, or Josh Allen become GOATLIKE at 30? Will they realize that as their supreme athletic ability fades that the real value of a QB is to process, and throw an accurate ball into a tiny window?

 

[The Ols]

Do you know for a fact that Brady was constantly booed or is this hearsay? I am only asking because that is not what I recall. There is no doubt that there were fans who were excited about Henson since he was the local super athlete with the really deep radio voice. What is also forgotten is that Tom Brady is a self made man and QB. He became the GOAT because he kept getting better. Tom Brady was a very good college QB. He was beat out by Brian Griese in 1997 who ended up having a nice meat & potatoes NFL career. Who knows what Drew Henson could have been if he stuck with football. The conspiracy theory is Steinbrenner as a Buckeye fan gave Henson an unprecedented contract to play minor league baseball to remove him as a threat to OSU. Too bad for Henson he was like so many other great athletes in that he could not handle a curve ball. Back to Brady, in college he was not the superstar that he would eventually become. His measurables after NFL evaluation was an afterthought of a pick by NE. A lot of NFL franchises did not think much of him either, certainly less then even pessimistic Michigan fans. It's not exactly like he blew people away his first few years. Those first few NE teams were built around Belichick bringing back the 3-4 and having a monopoly of all the best 3-4 ends, and linebackers. No one was saying that Tom Brady was a GOAT much less an elite QB back in 2005 when Tom Brady was 28 years old.

There are cases of QB's who figure it out after several years. There is the story of Jim Plunket who bombed with the 49'ers and won a SB with the Raiders. There is Geno Smith today. Brady is unique in his improvement curve never stopped. He just got better when other QB's plateaued or faded. In our age of instant gratification, is there a franchise willing to wait for a QB to hit 30 before he is playing at an all pro level? Can a Mahomes, Burrows, or Josh Allen become GOATLIKE at 30? Will they realize that as their supreme athletic ability fades that the real value of a QB is to process, and throw an accurate ball into a tiny window?

Yes…

 

[81usaf92]

Do you know for a fact that Brady was constantly booed or is this hearsay? I am only asking because that is not what I recall. There is no doubt that there were fans who were excited about Henson since he was the local super athlete with the really deep radio voice. What is also forgotten is that Tom Brady is a self made man and QB. He became the GOAT because he kept getting better. Tom Brady was a very good college QB. He was beat out by Brian Griese in 1997 who ended up having a nice meat & potatoes NFL career. Who knows what Drew Henson could have been if he stuck with football. The conspiracy theory is Steinbrenner as a Buckeye fan gave Henson an unprecedented contract to play minor league baseball to remove him as a threat to OSU. Too bad for Henson he was like so many other great athletes in that he could not handle a curve ball. Back to Brady, in college he was not the superstar that he would eventually become. His measurables after NFL evaluation was an afterthought of a pick by NE. A lot of NFL franchises did not think much of him either, certainly less then even pessimistic Michigan fans. It's not exactly like he blew people away his first few years. Those first few NE teams were built around Belichick bringing back the 3-4 and having a monopoly of all the best 3-4 ends, and linebackers. No one was saying that Tom Brady was a GOAT much less an elite QB back in 2005 when Tom Brady was 28 years old.

There are cases of QB's who figure it out after several years. There is the story of Jim Plunket who bombed with the 49'ers and won a SB with the Raiders. There is Geno Smith today. Brady is unique in his improvement curve never stopped. He just got better when other QB's plateaued or faded. In our age of instant gratification, is there a franchise willing to wait for a QB to hit 30 before he is playing at an all pro level? Can a Mahomes, Burrows, or Josh Allen become GOATLIKE at 30? Will they realize that as their supreme athletic ability fades that the real value of a QB is to process, and throw an accurate ball into a tiny window?

I would say Brady probably captured GOAT status in 2014, but that is over a decade from when he wore a Michigan uniform. It wasn’t until 2016 that he returned to Michigan for any type of recognition…. Let that sink in. So you are telling me it took nearly two decades, 4 SB rings and 6 SB appearance, and him conveniently being suspended for a home game during Jim Harbaugh’s 2nd year to show appreciation to the man? It seems the man is more than a little bit hurt about how he was treated in Ann Arbor in 1999 because it’s hard to believe that Michigan never offered to have him there and there was never an opportunity from 2005-2016 in which he couldn’t make a Michigan game to accept some praise and recognition.

 

[MVisitor]

Brady was the starter the entire season, but yes there was a small but very loud contingent of the fanbase that were complaining about Henson not playing. Carr finally opened the offense up against Bama in the Orange Bowl and let Brady do his thing.
Most Michigan fans are hoping that Harbaugh let's JJ sling it a little bit in the Rose Bowl, but honestly we think this every year. JJ has the ability to make a difference in this game. Our running game would be much more effective if JJ runs early. Harbaugh will probably go conservative like he and every Michigan coach before him until its too late. I don't think we can run it against Bama they way we have against the B1G with out some creative wrinkles. We always think the coaches are holding back plays to eventually unleash them against a team like Bama. In my opinion we should have been using them all year, because you can't expect to unleash something you've rarely, if ever used in an actual game.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Brady was the starter the entire season, but yes there was a small but very loud contingent of the fanbase that were complaining about Henson not playing. Carr finally opened the offense up against Bama in the Orange Bowl and let Brady do his thing.
Most Michigan fans are hoping that Harbaugh let's JJ sling it a little bit in the Rose Bowl, but honestly we think this every year. JJ has the ability to make a difference in this game. Our running game would be much more effective if JJ runs early. Harbaugh will probably go conservative like he and every Michigan coach before him until its too late. I don't think we can run it against Bama they way we have against the B1G with out some creative wrinkles. We always think the coaches are holding back plays to eventually unleash them against a team like Bama. In my opinion we should have been using them all year, because you can't expect to unleash something you've rarely, if ever used in an actual game.

Kirby does the same thing.