China breathing down Musk's neck...

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I started to post this on NSNP, but it seems that virtually anything involving China inevitably involves politics. In another thread, someone wondered how much information Musk had to give up to manufacture cars there. The answer may be "enough to pass him"...

Tesla killer?
 

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True. They are the world's best reverse engineers...
You don't have to even do that when you have your military hackers just steal all the schematics, test data, etc.


I'll dig, but I saw another article a while ago estimating the amount of corporate data exfiltrated to china via hacking, but it was an obscene number.
 
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You don't have to even do that when you have your military hackers just steal all the schematics, test data, etc.


I'll dig, but I saw another article a while ago estimating the amount of corporate data exfiltrated to china via hacking, but it was an obscene number.
I believe it...
 

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Still opposed to just giving it to them for free. If they steal, they steal it. But they don’t always steal the ” intellectual “ property; open your business in China and you give it to them.
Putin rattling his “nuclear” sabers is a little unnerving, but I think he’d be removed before he could do anything stupid.
China, OTOH, is hell bent on world domination economically and militarily, and where Russia is faltering in both, China isn’t in either, yet.
 

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You can forget me driving or even riding in a Chinese manufactured car. Ever. Ever. EVER!

I don't trust that government not to put back door data collection/control in every state owned product possible. We know they sometimes put backdoors on foreign company products they make products for.


 

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You can forget me driving or even riding in a Chinese manufactured car. Ever. Ever. EVER!

I don't trust that government not to put back door data collection/control in every state owned product possible. We know they sometimes put backdoors on foreign company products they make products for.


There was a similar story several years ago WRT to their Lenovo computers. "Error" they said and promised they'd stopped putting in the hardware back door. I owned one, got rid of it and I'll never have another...
 

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Great story about Americans standing up against government for what they believe in!!

The video title should read "Towns PEOPLE reject Chinese company development" - because apparently the city council would have been just fine with it - because of all the MONEY it would bring in.... :rolleyes:

Here in my town, we residents have seen first hand how careless elected officials are with balancing growth with tax revenue. Most of them pretty much only see dollar signs.....

 
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The size of China’s debt problem is truly staggering. At last measure, debt of all sorts – public and private and in all sectors of the economy — amounted to the equivalent of $51.9 trillion, almost three times the size of China’s economy as measured by the country’s gross domestic product. This is the highest level recorded in the 27 years since Beijing first began to track such statistics. Matters seem set only to get worse. According to the Beijing-backed National Institution for Finance and Development, local authorities are set to issue new debt next year of some 4 trillion yuan, the equivalent of $570 billion.

China’s debt overhang far exceeds the burdens facing the United States. As recently as 2020, total debt in the United States relative to GDP exceeded China’s. But as of mid-2022, China’s relative debt burden stood 40 percent higher than America’s. If this comparison does not highlight China’s precarious situation, it is worth considering that more developed countries, such as the United States, tend, because of their greater relative wealth, to have higher relative debt burdens and can support them more easily than less developed economies, such as China’s.
$51.9T in debt.....I can't even wrap my mind around this. I can only imagine what would happen if manufacturing in China was moved to say.....Mexico. We're talking full societal collapse over there.
 
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$51.9T in debt.....I can't even wrap my mind around this. I can only imagine what would happen if manufacturing in China was moved to say.....Mexico. We're talking full societal collapse over there.
Based on a few different opinions it would appear this is inevitable in China at this point. Who knows when, but the numbers appear irrefutable.
 
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