I actually think their interim coach is an upgrade. If they were smart, they'd give him the full time job. Rolovich was doing well at Wazzu.
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Yeah, Franklin is a great coach. Anybody who wins 9 games at Vandy is a great coach. He did it two years in a row. As for Penn State, I don't think that was a failure either. Penn State should be happy with winning 10 games a year, making the playoff most of the time, and occasionally being in national title contention. That's essentially the ceiling of their program. I actually thought if he stayed there 30 years he might sniff a natty, but for some reason they're not willing to be that patient. Have they forgotten Paterno didn't even win a national championship in his last 25ish years? Paterno probably would've been fired from Bama for that, but they're not Bama, and it would be unwise for them to pretend they are.
Lots of varied conversations here - all good.
OK my opinion of a good head coach (aside from being morally correct) is one who gets you to a bowl game each year, is transparent in making adjustments where needed when defects appear in the team's ability to compete, and doesn't lose you games because the team looks unprepared and/or because of bad play calling.
Would this be too much to ask of a coach making a million (or more) a year?
OK my opinion of a good head coach (aside from being morally correct) is one who gets you to a bowl game each year, is transparent in making adjustments where needed when defects appear in the team's ability to compete, and doesn't lose you games because the team looks unprepared and/or because of bad play calling.
Would this be too much to ask of a coach making a million (or more) a year?
DeBoer did inherit a lot more than Saban did, but what DeBoer inherited was still a lot closer to '07 Bama than '15 Bama..Also, it doesn't matter how much talent you have if that talent doesn't fit what you want to do. That is most apparent when it comes to the oline. If you pay attention to recruiting, you can tell that this staff wants smaller, more agile offensive lineman. It's going to be difficult to judge the offense until we fully rebuild the offensive line. It was going to have to be done anyways, even if we didn't completely change schemes. It usually takes 4-5 years to completely rebuild an offensive line, and we are in year 2. Maybe we can speed things up a bit with the portal. I would caution not to rush to judgement with regards to DeBoer
The majority of our best players are either guys who DeBoer brought with him for Washington, or guys DeBoer and this staff evaluated, so that should tell us all we need to know. Other than Mack (who hasn't had a chance to show it yet), every single person he brought with him from Washington is a DUDE. Every freshman he's recruited that has played so far is a DHDE. How do you not look at that and get excited? If DeBoer is allowed the time to fully rebuild the offense in his image, we may be unstoppable. We just gotta give him the time.
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Selective memories. I do indeed blame Saban for the problems right now. The decline in the program became evident to anyone who looked.
I bet if you asked DeBoer right now if he could have the 2007 rebuilding task or what he’s facing right now, he would take the 2007 task easily. Want to know why? In 2007 HE had the power to determine his roster. Blue shirts, gray shirts, redshirts, kick off the team, all that power in his hands. He has no power now. Kids can leave anytime they want for whatever reason they want to.
Seriously, tell me exactly what Saban left DeBoer that was so awesome? A three play quarterback with terrible fundamentals? An overweight left tackle? The best players on this team came with DeBoer from Washington, a PAC 12 school.
I’m not saying DeBoer has been perfect, but he wasn’t given the keys to a kingdom like you guys think he was. He can’t overhaul this roster overnight like Ohio State, Texas, or Oregon. Just lost a commitment from a 4 star IOL because SMU had better NIL. I can almost guarantee it will happen again.
The problems on this team aren’t getting fixed overnight.
The state of college football then, compared to now has nothing to do with you laying blame on Saban for all of DeBoer’s failures.
You can keep saying it all you want, believe what you want, but it’s laughable.
I hope DeBoer succeeds, but it will be interesting to see how long you keep repeating that non-sense.
Well I can see you have no clue at how things work with universities, board of trustees, and coaches.
Everyone seems to expect some Al Davis (ironic) public undressing of a coach and why you fired him speech, but that never happens because usually people have similar agents, operate in similar circles, and have dirt on each other. So why make it a nasty divorce when you don’t have to?
You and whatever Kiffin fan club members are left can act like he did nothing that would kill his chances of coming back all you want to. But what everyone that actually pays attention to things and does know what they are talking about knows Kiffin isn’t going to be the HC at Alabama unless something drastic changes up top.
There was a reason he was fired, there is a reason he was never called to replace Saban, and there is a reason Saban hardly says great things about him unless absolutely pressed into doing so. Do the math.
“Genius” I would say is very subjective in how you mean it. I think as an offensive mind Kiffin might be one of the top 3 currently in college football but from an overall production standpoint I don’t think he ever will be. I think it’s how he approaches a game plan. I mean if we go off raw numbers BoB and Nuss are better coordinators… but look at their qbs and look at Kiffin’s.
Because I have a totally different opinion than you I don’t know how things work…gotcha
.These examples you have going back to Al Davis…I’m pretty sure Saban must have been unaware he wasn’t supposed to hire Kifffin for OC when he did.
The results speak for itself. Matter of fact, if Saban doesn’t act out of knee-jerk reaction and lets Kiffin coach one more game then we win 2 NC’s instead of just one during Kiffin’s three year tenure….and Saban has 8 NC’s instead of 7.
But Saban has too much pride and it cost him.
Just like it boils down to pride why didn’t hire
him over DeBoer, and the point I made that don’t you think 10 years later if it was something so unforgivable it would have leaked by now?
Also, nobody on here is asking for a public statement from the university. Just ten years of people continually referencing things he done as insider information, but ironically never expanding upon that other than the Joey Freshwater deal.
Because I have a totally different opinion than you I don’t know how things work…gotcha
These examples you have going back to Al Davis…I’m pretty sure Saban must have been unaware he wasn’t supposed to hire Kifffin for OC when he did.
The results speak for itself. Matter of fact, if Saban doesn’t act out of knee-jerk reaction and lets Kiffin coach one more game then we win 2 NC’s instead of just one during Kiffin’s three year tenure….and Saban has 8 NC’s instead of 7.
But Saban has too much pride and it cost him.
Just like it boils down to pride why didn’t hire
him over DeBoer, and the point I made that don’t you think 10 years later if it was something so unforgivable it would have leaked by now?
Also, nobody on here is asking for a public statement from the university. Just ten years of people continually referencing things he done as insider information, but ironically never expanding upon that other than the Joey Freshwater deal.
1) actually read what someone says and stop accusing them of saying things they never did.
2) Saban fired him because he made a total fool of himself in Atlanta. 1) he showed up late to several meetings 2) he was very unprofessional when dealing with reporters in the lead up 3) he ran a gameplan that they never ran in practice and 4) he was constantly drunk coming to meetings and/or totally checked out after the SECCG. So “knee jerk” reaction doesn’t really apply… it’s the only sensible reaction that any coach worth his grain of salt can make. I would argue that Saban probably waited too long to get rid of him that year.
3) The simple fact that Joey Freshwater exists should be enough for everyone to know you shouldn’t hire him. Hell what he did at Tennessee with his connection to an escort service should have been enough to know who you are dealing with. Those are public incidents. So is the fact that Jimmy Sexton had to beg Saban to give him a 3rd year after he couldn’t find a head coaching position in 2015.
Those and a bunch of immature frat boy stuff he has done over the years has people in the Alabama BOT be “Never Kiffin” people.
4) Believe what you want but know that there is a reason why Byrne never contacted him but he did contact Norvell and Lanning. Kiffin himself has admitted this to be true.
I believe he was never contacted. I never said he was. The question is can he coach? Absolutely.
Saban knew he could coach too and hired him even with the baggage known before Tuscaloosa. So if he had problems with him while he was there, the results on the field were still great.
If he was going to fire him, it made no sense to do it the week of the NC game. I’ll always believe that cost Saban another title.
Saban also wanted Hugh Freeze. So he wasn’t above taking a gamble on a coach that could help him.
As far as him firing him… I have more of an issue with him allowing him to coach the Washington game more than i have with him firing him after it. Kiffin had totally checked out the second he got the FAU job and had made staff meetings unbearable. He was showing up drunk and/or late to many of the meetings prior to the Washington game. Then came the interviews with SI and with the CFP in which Saban couldn’t control in which Kiffin made a total Buffon of himself about. Finally he implemented a gameplan that no one practiced for and it was just an overall phoned in performance. These are all verifiable facts, and I don’t see any reason to keep him knowing that.
Again also consider the fact that both Saban and Kiffin were of the assumption that they wouldn’t be working together after the 15 season after all the nonsense he pulled that year. But Sexton got Saban to bring him back in 16 because no one was offering him a HC job. So the relationship was already rocky going into 16 and it just progressively got worse as the season progressed. They were pretty much done with each other
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