Coaching fit.

[tideindc]

Being on the west coast I only saw the team in person at the Rose Bowl, but what stood out was guys losing their 1 v 1 battles constantly. Sure there are schematic issues, particularly on offense, but the inability to make plays in 1v1 isolations was wild. Missed tackles, poor positioning on defense, etc. Look at the double crossing route for the touchdown by Indiana and both DBs were beaten by 5 yards. Mendoza could have thrown to either corner.

On offense our receivers don't get separation, Indiana's did. Tough for running backs to get going with our o-line play, but Indiana's were running through tackles. The last two touchdowns by Indiana were a great example of this.

Coach Saban said it best at one point when he said he is less worried about the play being called when the game is on the line and more concerned with who is getting the ball. Our guys don't make plays and Indiana's did.

In Coach Saban style I would have TV replays all off season in the facility of our guys getting run through and losing 1v1's this season. Anytime they feel big time, I would tell them to look at the monitors. All of this for the players, while the coaching offices have some significant conversations about how next year looks different for them.

Very well said. We were outplayed everywhere in the field, by supposedly lesser talent. I say supposedly, as I’m not sure it’s actually true.

 

[tideindc]

Was talking to a Nebraska booster yesterday. He says there is a lot of interest in CKD over there. Their AD hired him at Washington . They would hire him now if they could. So I’m told , fwiw.

 

[81usaf92]

Was talking to a Nebraska booster yesterday. He says there is a lot of interest in CKD over there. Their AD hired him at Washington . They would hire him now if they could. So I’m told , fwiw.

From personal experience with Nebraska boosters… don’t believe them

 

[editder]

Give me a break.

Final 3 years

13-2 SEC Champs and NCG runner up (WR1 and WR2 out)

11-2 Won the Sugar Bowl and Bryce had a messed up shoulder most of the year. Two losses by 4 total points.

12-2 SEC Champs and lost in the Semis in OT to the eventual NC

You have to add up CNS’s final FIVE seasons combined to hit 8 losses.

He wasn’t getting routinely embarrassed by anybody.

Worst lost on the scoreboard was to UGA in the NCG but it was a 1 score game until the garbage pick 6.

The CNS slander is unreal on here.

His ‘decline’ years absolutely smoke this new staff.

I figure he could have declined at the same rate for about 30 years and still be better than what we’re seeing now.

 

[BigAlinKnoxville]

If we have the talent we are told we have, then it appears that our staff isn't up to the same level. It starts at HC and then down to, the OC/DC...they set the tone..and from what we have seen that isn't one of discipline, excellence and consistency

Don't worry, we won't keep getting that caliber of talent going forward if we keep getting embarrassed like we did on Thursday.

 

[NorCalTide]

Don't worry, we won't keep getting that caliber of talent going forward if we keep getting embarrassed like we did on Thursday.

This is a different era...we will get whatever talent we can afford to pay. Until Saban becomes the commissioner of NCAA football and the NCAA gets an anti-trust exemption this will remain the Wild Wild West and we can look forward to at least 4 more years of Pavia being QB1 at Vanderbilt.

 

[J-Rod1988]

Two years and ZERO improvement in the OL. That's got to be some kind of record.

News flash but we’ve had OL issues dating back to 2021-2022. Bryce was able to mask it but our OL was lacking the last few seasons under Saban.

 

[BigGunn9595]

I'm not sure since none of them won a national championship in Year Two at Alabama.



True enough, but there's a huge difference in that DeBoer had HEAD COACHING success everywhere he went and if Mike Shula's last name was Smith, he'd have taken his place in line behind 600 other candidates.

Mike Shula's OC career pre-Alabama:

TAMPA (30-team league)
1996 - last in points, 28th in yards (1 NOT)
1997 - 24th in points, 29th in yards (2 NOTs)
1998 - 18th in points, 22nd in yards (3 NOTs)
1999 - 27th in points, 28th in yards (2 NOTs)

And btw - AT THE TIME, Tampa had a QB named Trent Dilfer whose record was 38-38 as a starter, which was then the best record any Bucs QB had. Dilfer went down in Week 10 in 1999 and Shawn King came on, which gives Shula defenders a convenient excuse (and in all honesty, without convenient excuses there would be NO Shula defenders).

That last team made the NFC Championship and was leading into the fourth quarter with the one of the best defenses in the NFL.

There are legit criticisms of DeBoer, but he's better than Mike Shula.



Oh, gawd, here we go:

"We've got dozens of coaches out there just waiting to come to Tuscaloosa and win" sounds so much like something Texas fans say (except they change one word to Austin). Everyone is just waiting for the call, can't wait, it's cold in Indiana, blah blah blah.

If we throw DeBoer off the ship at this point, good luck getting anyone to come to Alabama.




Why does everyone keep pretending we don't live in a world where a guy can come to Alabama and if he's a star, he can go make millions ELSEWHERE?

Once upon a time - at the very least - that guy would have had to sit out a year at a junior college.

What we have right now is like if the Los Angeles Dodgers decided they wanted Aaron Judge and could get him because he didn't have a contract binding him to his team.

I for one liked that Shula held the program together through the 2nd worst probation ever, 2nd only to SMU getting the death penalty. We lost 21 - 24 schollys, as such no chance to attract blue chippers. The barn had a 4 year run on us that got Tubervile a lot of laughing material. I never expected Shula to have any great years as he was completely hamstrung. We would never know what may have happened with an opportunity at a good roster, his nfl experience not withstanding. He did good under the weight of the ncaa penalties.

 

[arthurdawg]

I for one liked that Shula held the program together through the 2nd worst probation ever, 2nd only to SMU getting the death penalty. We lost 21 - 24 schollys, as such no chance to attract blue chippers. The barn had a 4 year run on us that got Tubervile a lot of laughing material. I never expected Shula to have any great years as he was completely hamstrung. We would never know what may have happened with an opportunity at a good roster, his nfl experience not withstanding. He did good under the weight of the ncaa penalties.

I did fell badly about Shula... But he also let S&C go to absolute pot and was so amazingly stubborn about so many things like the jumbo package. I think his ceiling was substantially lower than the man who replaced him.

 

[bamadwain]

I did fell badly about Shula... But he also let S&C go to absolute pot and was so amazingly stubborn about so many things like the jumbo package. I think his ceiling was substantially lower than the man who replaced him.

Would of liked to have had the jumbo package this year!

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

I for one liked that Shula held the program together through the 2nd worst probation ever, 2nd only to SMU getting the death penalty. We lost 21 - 24 schollys, as such no chance to attract blue chippers. The barn had a 4 year run on us that got Tubervile a lot of laughing material. I never expected Shula to have any great years as he was completely hamstrung. We would never know what may have happened with an opportunity at a good roster, his nfl experience not withstanding. He did good under the weight of the ncaa penalties.

Welcome to TideFans, Shari Shula!

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I for one liked that Shula held the program together through the 2nd worst probation ever, 2nd only to SMU getting the death penalty. We lost 21 - 24 schollys, as such no chance to attract blue chippers. The barn had a 4 year run on us that got Tubervile a lot of laughing material. I never expected Shula to have any great years as he was completely hamstrung. We would never know what may have happened with an opportunity at a good roster, his nfl experience not withstanding. He did good under the weight of the ncaa penalties.

I’m willing to concede a partial point - Shula with more sanctions was better than Dubious with fewer.

If Shula could have answered the simple question of what he was going to do to ensure 2007 was not going to be another 6-6 season, he might have kept his job.

Shula could have done much worse, yes.
But he also could’ve done much better coming off 2005.

However - his teams were not as soft as this year’s offense, either.

 

[countrytider]

Give me a break.

Final 3 years

13-2 SEC Champs and NCG runner up (WR1 and WR2 out)

11-2 Won the Sugar Bowl and Bryce had a messed up shoulder most of the year. Two losses by 4 total points.

12-2 SEC Champs and lost in the Semis in OT to the eventual NC

You have to add up CNS’s final FIVE seasons combined to hit 8 losses.

He wasn’t getting routinely embarrassed by anybody.

Worst lost on the scoreboard was to UGA in the NCG but it was a 1 score game until the garbage pick 6.

The CNS slander is unreal on here.

His ‘decline’ years absolutely smoke this new staff.

Dear God, thank you for this!

This is straight facts.

 

[JDCrimson]

I’m willing to concede a partial point - Shula with more sanctions was better than Dubious with fewer.

If Shula could have answered the simple question of what he was going to do to ensure 2007 was not going to be another 6-6 season, he might have kept his job.

Shula could have done much worse, yes.
But he also could’ve done much better coming off 2005.

However - his teams were not as soft as this year’s offense, either.

Ultimately I dont think Shula liked recruiting and I imagine he allowed himself to be taken out while getting his contract paid in full.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Looking at our recent hires in FB and BB, with Coach Saban we knew game one of year 2, we were on our way. Coach Oats, season 2 told us we were on our way.

Before Saban and Oats, the previous hires by year 2 we still had a cloudy view.

It’s pretty cloudy out there. So why stick with it? Doesn’t it just delay the inevitable?

By now we should get a sense of where this is going.

 

[SMOKIESBAMAFAN]

If we have the talent we are told we have, then it appears that our staff isn't up to the same level. It starts at HC and then down to, the OC/DC...they set the tone..and from what we have seen that isn't one of discipline, excellence and consistency

The offensive and defensive fronts were either over-rated or massively underperformed. The defense reminded me of some of Joe Kines “bend but don’t break” defenses. But they got drug multiple times by strong running backs. And, if we had Derrick Henry or Mark Ingram, they wouldn’t have been able to run behind this OL.

 

[CB4]

Looking at our recent hires in FB and BB, with Coach Saban we knew game one of year 2, we were on our way. Coach Oats, season 2 told us we were on our way.

Before Saban and Oats, the previous hires by year 2 we still had a cloudy view.

It’s pretty cloudy out there. So why stick with it? Doesn’t it just delay the inevitable?

By now we should get a sense of where this is going.

You know CC, I could back off my criticism and be willing to give the guy the “benefit of the doubt” if the guy would just step up, take accountability and say one thing - “this isn’t Alabama football and by golly it’s my job to fix it.”

But the post game presser on Thursday did it for me with the “fine line” comment. In two years I’ve heard nothing but gobbility goop.

As fans and supporters of this program we deserve better. Stop with the cover your rearend spin. It’s insulting and pouring salt into a wound.

As you point out, with Saban and Oats how did we know we were on the right track? It was evident in the little things we saw early on. And above all, those guys “didn’t pull punches”. They told it as it was. And didn’t try to play artful dodger.

If Coach DeBoer wants to quite the criticism, stand up, tell it like it is, take accountability and tell us how he plans to fix it.

 

[editder]

As you point out, with Saban and Oats how did we know we were on the right track? It was evident in the little things we saw early on. And above all, those guys “didn’t pull punches”. They told it as it was. And didn’t try to play artful dodger.

If Coach DeBoer wants to quite the criticism, stand up, tell it like it is, take accountability and tell us how he plans to fix it.

Another good example is Stallings’ 1990 team. In terms of wins and losses it was worse than Curry’s 1989 team, but it felt like the program was moving in the right direction. He replaced that loser brand of football with hard-nosed toughness. They started 0-3 by a total 8-point margin, including a 4-point loss to Florida, who was the SEC power of the day, then went 7-1 for the rest of the regular season, including a win over the barn stopping a 4-year losing streak.

 

[CB4]

Another good example is Stallings’ 1990 team. In terms of wins and losses it was worse than Curry’s 1989 team, but it felt like the program was moving in the right direction. He replaced that loser brand of football with hard-nosed toughness. They started 0-3 by a total 8-point margin, including a 4-point loss to Florida, who was the SEC power of the day, then went 7-2 for the rest of the regular season, including a win over the barn stopping a 4-year losing streak.

And in 1991 no one was happy with the 35-0 loss to Florida the second game of the season. But Stallings didn’t dodge a darn thing. Florida had flat out whipped us. He didn’t beat around the bush. All the failures in that game fell on him and his coaches. And the buck stopped with him.

No excuses. No spin. Just the truth. People may not like it when you lose. But people sure as heck respect you when you tell it as it is and take responsibility.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

This sound like someone familiar

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