Coaching fit.
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That mentality walked out the door January 10, 2024. Who knows if it comes back
I wonder if he paid Nick Saban royalties, because that’s a straight rip off.
Saban didn’t practice this his final years at the helm.
The Best usually borrow from the Best.
Just about any great Guitar player in Blues, Rock, or Metal can have their style and phrasings traced back to Albert King and/or Buddy Guy.
It’s a compliment I suppose.
Maybe its easier to practice these days with the 3 star crowd. The 5 stars dont have to care
Maybe the 5 stars are already making the big bucks while the 3 stars are fighting to get the big bucks.
Saying the same thing as Coach Saban is one thing. Doing it is another. It appears Coach Cig is doing it, and that is what coaches get paid for, doing.
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You know he lives this mantra EVERY day with the players because it was very easy and natural for him to be able to recite these principles at the podium. Contrast that to Deboer at the podium...platitudes....i bet every Indiana player knows what is expected
Better to rip off doing things the right way than create your own wrong way of doing things.
CC has a buyout of $15 million. I would love to have this guy here. Hes rights its what is expected. If a player doesn't want to practice hard or play hard and buy in the hit the road. CC is a Coach a real player wants to play for. Money is important but playing for a Coach who expects playing hard and winning will attract better players knowing that if they win the NC or Heismen Under him it will stay with them the rest of their lives. Plus a real Coach will instill in a discipline that will stay with them forever. Having a good work ethic pays off in life
Agree with you all. He absolutely should use what he learned. He would be foolish not to. But I wasn’t talking about him ripping off the process. I was talking about him coming across like those were all his original ideas. And I realize that he has acknowledged CNS in the past.
If you think about it, would an Alabama type program hire a coach from James Madison University?
Does the experience at JMU really prepare you for handling the bright lights of the upper echelons of college football? Well, in Coach Cignetti's case, yes (although an argument could be made that Indiana when he was hired was "upper echelon-adjacent" or "in the general neighborhood of great programs."
A lot of SEC schools have tried to hire a diamond in the rough, an untried (at this level) coach who seems to have his head on straight, seems to have overachieved with less resources. Tennessee and Florida come readily to mind. (No offense Bazza).
I'm not sure Alabama would be willing to try a JMU-type coach, so Alabama missed out on hiring the one guy who might have come right in and come closest to maintaining the Bama standard.
Instead, Alabama engaged in satisficing, the least bad option.
I'm not saying Coach DeBoer is a failure or will fail, just that the softness of the team is a reflection of the head coach. Coach DeBoer seems like a nice guy. Friendly with everyone. I cannot imagine him looking like this after a delay of game penalty:
More often we get this "I'm confused" look
Coach DeBoer might yet do well. I think to do well at Alabama, he's going to need to get a whole lot angrier and instill that anger in his players.
Does the experience at JMU really prepare you for handling the bright lights of the upper echelons of college football? Well, in Coach Cignetti's case, yes (although an argument could be made that Indiana when he was hired was "upper echelon-adjacent" or "in the general neighborhood of great programs."
A lot of SEC schools have tried to hire a diamond in the rough, an untried (at this level) coach who seems to have his head on straight, seems to have overachieved with less resources. Tennessee and Florida come readily to mind. (No offense Bazza).
I'm not sure Alabama would be willing to try a JMU-type coach, so Alabama missed out on hiring the one guy who might have come right in and come closest to maintaining the Bama standard.
Instead, Alabama engaged in satisficing, the least bad option.
I'm not saying Coach DeBoer is a failure or will fail, just that the softness of the team is a reflection of the head coach. Coach DeBoer seems like a nice guy. Friendly with everyone. I cannot imagine him looking like this after a delay of game penalty:
More often we get this "I'm confused" look
Coach DeBoer might yet do well. I think to do well at Alabama, he's going to need to get a whole lot angrier and instill that anger in his players.
I think there is a direct causal relationship between being demanding, uncompromising, driven, having attention to detail on one hand and success on the pitch on the other. Coach Cignetti has figured that out.
The problem with Cignetti is he has no reason to leave Indiana unless he's starting to feel the limitations of running a program there. If he wins a title this year? He'll have no reason to leave, if he gets bounced by a program with more resources (Oregon or Miami) and has some struggles next year, then may be he's available. But you're talking about a situation where things have to align in such a way that Cignetti struggles some but DeBoer struggles more.
As far as Tidewater's comments about Cignetti, he wasn't on my radar either during the search, but when I became aware of him as a head coach about mid-way through the 2024 season, I immediately recognized he was who people thought DeBoer was. He built programs that needed to be built, he didn't just walk into situations where the programs had already won championships or the programs were already one of the top in their conference. If you're going to go with unproven (and two years in a power conference is unproven) you might as well go with someone that took nothing and made it into something.
Before the portal you really did have to wait a few years to get the team up to speed. That isn't the case anymore, so the excuse of just give them a few more years doesn't hold. If it's not working now, it probably won't work then.
What is amazing is how many head coaches are truly abysmal at running a program. I can see a time when you have Courtney Morgan types running the program with more of an NFL front office approach.
Those are good points. I know and unfortunately we have to give DeBoer at least on more years. CG has built it in two years. Hard to believe we were beat by them but we for beat badly by Kirby then Indiana. People can say we had a few starters out but Coach Saban always had really good depth. BAMA doesn't have the deep pockets like other schools so ita imperative we get a really good coach who has boundaries and an attitude to mold his players into disciplined hard working players. I realize the portal had changed things but a good coach will know how to navigate it. But you had some really good points
Last I checked we have a coach…a really good coach. It’s very apparent that you don’t like him…your last post you said we needed a real coach and here you have him gone…how about let it play out? Our coach has won everywhere he’s been.
Give him year three before you slam the door…
A really good coach? My personal opinion is he is not a really good coach. Listening to him talk its easy to see he is weak and he is not a good fit for BAMA. When they told a player last year to get off of the field and he didn't come off that tells that player and every other player this guy is weak and they will not respect him. BAMA was beaten bad by Georgia and Indiana. Our OL.was terrible this year and all we heard was they will and are getting better. People blamed Ty. I played football and it takes a team to win not just a few players. The OL was supposed to give him time and most of the time it didn't happen. You have your opinion and I respect that and I have mine. Buying ice cream and playing music during practice is not a way to focus on what they were supposed to be learning.
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