Many schools require instructors to take "continuing education" courses to help sharpen their own skills. RTR
Concerns about Assistant/Position Coaches.
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To this day, I can't understand why so many people were dogging Joe Kines and the Bama D. If you watched the '03 season carefully, it was obvious that the defense, while not at the elite level it has been for the last 2 seasons, was still a pretty good unit. It was also painfully obvious that the offense didn't do anything to complement the defense. There was only so much the defense could do when they were on the field as long as that unit was. The offense had so many 3 and outs that the defense never had time to catch their breath. Had the offense been even slightly more productive, as in moving the chains even if they didn't score, most people would probably have been singing CJK's praises in '03 as well. It's not like Joe Kines suddenly learned to coach a defense in '04 after being so inept at it in '03.Bamabuzzard said:
Rich is on vacation...but he could attest to the amount of times we both said "you have to give him time" during the '03 season. It was a situation where people just over-reacted. This falls into the same line as the 4th and 19 threads that were attributed to Kines when it was Ball who called the coverage.NBF_Bama_Cavalry said:
As to the theme of this thread...
There are 3 coach's on our staff right now that I question...the question being whether they "get" Alabama football. Right now, it's a resounding no. Coach Cheese isn't one of those...
mlh said:Dude, if you don't know why he's attending the seminar...maybe you shouldn't ridicule him for attending. Just a thought.
The phrase I've read on this board was that he was attending seminars to "learn how to coach the position". Now you can look at it two ways, either a bad use of wordage to describe the reasons he was going or I just misunderstood in which I stated that if I misunderstood I apologize. I wasn't ridiculing him.
In my opinion it was a concern and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.
There is nothing quite like good coffee and TerryP in the morning! No mention of Joe Kines attending siminars this summer and I thought he was the one taking the most notes in WV.
There is a mystique, a pride, a role, an attitude...there are a lot of things that go in to what a coach at Alabama has to be...has to understand...it's a simple state of mind, and understanding what role you have within the community, the state, with children, with parents...mlh said:
It would take a little while for me to come up with "what it takes to be a coach at Alabama." I could do it...but it would require my taking the time to put into words what comes from the mind set of being a life long Bama fan.
Think about the pride you feel when you see the team run on the field before the game...think about the feeling that almost leads to tears when you hear "Yea Alabama" played right after a touchdown...or better yet, when you hear it as the team enters the field. Can you remember that feeling...the chill bumps...afraid you might just tear up?
That, they don't get.
Okay, now I know what you're talking about, TerryP. Thanks for the clarification. Of course, I'm still curious to know who those coaches are. I'm guessing the guys from the West Coast who don't have any real ties to Bama or experience coaching in the SEC.
I agree with one point made on this thread...
You can't teach toughness.
But, you can bring it out. If I stand in your face and poke you in the chest, how many times do I have to do that to tick you off enough that you poke me back?
When you walk on a football field, you have to have a certian mindset that is totally different than the one you have walking in the Mall.
Coaches should be able to get you to the point when you do go on the field, you are ready to hit first and often.
Now, it is my opinion, that we either have one or the other if we are low in production at WR (I make one assumtion that the coaches recruited a WR because they saw them live and on tape actually catch the passed ball), the player will never poke back (which means we got a soft WR) or the coach doesn't poke him enough (which means we have a soft coach).
By the way, I don't mean poke them litterally.
But, looking at D.J. and a couple other WR's they seem to me to be heading in the right direction and could be on the cusp of doing some great things at BAMA.
So, I don't think we are at the point of replacing coaches, but that day will come if after 12 games there is little or no progress.
It is said that coaching is only 10% and the players are the 90%. So, the coach is responcible to motivate the player enough to take it from there and implement the plan.
Here is to hoping the fruit starts dropping off the tree THIS year.
You can't teach toughness.
But, you can bring it out. If I stand in your face and poke you in the chest, how many times do I have to do that to tick you off enough that you poke me back?
When you walk on a football field, you have to have a certian mindset that is totally different than the one you have walking in the Mall.
Coaches should be able to get you to the point when you do go on the field, you are ready to hit first and often.
Now, it is my opinion, that we either have one or the other if we are low in production at WR (I make one assumtion that the coaches recruited a WR because they saw them live and on tape actually catch the passed ball), the player will never poke back (which means we got a soft WR) or the coach doesn't poke him enough (which means we have a soft coach).
By the way, I don't mean poke them litterally.
But, looking at D.J. and a couple other WR's they seem to me to be heading in the right direction and could be on the cusp of doing some great things at BAMA.
So, I don't think we are at the point of replacing coaches, but that day will come if after 12 games there is little or no progress.
It is said that coaching is only 10% and the players are the 90%. So, the coach is responcible to motivate the player enough to take it from there and implement the plan.
Here is to hoping the fruit starts dropping off the tree THIS year.
Spoken like a life-long Bama fan. However, it's a different mind set for coaches. It's become rare in this day and age for a coaching staff to stay intact from year to year. Most of these guys treat their jobs just like the rest of us, as jobs, and if there is an opportunity for advancement somewhere else, they take it. For that reason, I think it's hard for most coaches to get caught up in the stuff that drives the hard-core fan unless you were actually a player at that school or got a headstart in your career at that school. I'm not saying that there isn't loyalty in the coaching profession but it's all about results and there's not going to be a whole lot of loyalty from a program like UA's to a coach that doesn't produce the results we want.TerryP said:
Now, I want you to consider a few other names. Sparky. He gets it. David Turner, on our staff for just a few months...but he "get's it." Kines and Rader...they've been here before so they knew what was going on when they were hired...they "get it."TexasTideFan said:
No doubt Sparky gets it, he's been in the SEC back when the Dead Sea was just the Sea, so he know's Bama's tradition. Kines and Rader, as you mentioned, are both vets of previous Bama coaching staffs so I know that they get it. Not sure about David Turner since he really doesn't have a real close connection to the Tide, so I am gald he gets it. Luckily, the one's that get it are the main ones who should get it, the HC, the OC, and the DC.TerryP said:
TP:
Great points about "getting it"...and the "it" is definately very difficult to adequately convey.
Although Bama definately has a mystique, I don't think that is the "it". I think the "it" is more a knowledge of and deeply-held respect for the winning tradition and those who built that legacy.
To play or coach at Bama, one has to understand that putting on that Crimson jersey or throwing a whistle around your neck in Tuscaloosa Alabama brings with it high expectations for greatness. Those associated with the program are entrusted with maintaining a standard of excellence that is almost unparalelled in sports.
Those that "get it" realize that they're not just playing or coaching at a major university, but that they're doing it at ALABAMA. They understand that being good doesn't cut it and that being great is expected. At most schools, being great garners all sorts of recognition and special praise. At Alabama, being great just means you've done the minimum and can enjoy the priveledge of staying arounda little longer.
When people come to Alabama from outside the SEC, the head coach should let them know:
"If you think you know how high the bar is set, add about 20 feet to it and standing on that bar and looking straight up, you might be able to see where the bar resides around here...and that bar just represents the minimum acceptable performance."
The "it" with respect to Bama football is an understanding of high expectations. Expectations built upon an unparalleled history of success. High expectations built upon watching other Bama players and coaches achieve great things and build this legacy of excellence.
The "it" is realizing its a rare priveledge to be thought worthy of being asked to live up to such incredibly high expectations...and to be trusted with the responsibility of continuing one of the greatest records of achievement in all of sports. RTR.
Great points about "getting it"...and the "it" is definately very difficult to adequately convey.
Although Bama definately has a mystique, I don't think that is the "it". I think the "it" is more a knowledge of and deeply-held respect for the winning tradition and those who built that legacy.
To play or coach at Bama, one has to understand that putting on that Crimson jersey or throwing a whistle around your neck in Tuscaloosa Alabama brings with it high expectations for greatness. Those associated with the program are entrusted with maintaining a standard of excellence that is almost unparalelled in sports.
Those that "get it" realize that they're not just playing or coaching at a major university, but that they're doing it at ALABAMA. They understand that being good doesn't cut it and that being great is expected. At most schools, being great garners all sorts of recognition and special praise. At Alabama, being great just means you've done the minimum and can enjoy the priveledge of staying arounda little longer.
When people come to Alabama from outside the SEC, the head coach should let them know:
"If you think you know how high the bar is set, add about 20 feet to it and standing on that bar and looking straight up, you might be able to see where the bar resides around here...and that bar just represents the minimum acceptable performance."
The "it" with respect to Bama football is an understanding of high expectations. Expectations built upon an unparalleled history of success. High expectations built upon watching other Bama players and coaches achieve great things and build this legacy of excellence.
The "it" is realizing its a rare priveledge to be thought worthy of being asked to live up to such incredibly high expectations...and to be trusted with the responsibility of continuing one of the greatest records of achievement in all of sports. RTR.
I thought we've already tried hiring coaches that knew it all and didn't need seminars and if I recall we couldn't keep'em out of the tity bars.
Kines has been more fortunate with depth and not many injuries. If you notice all the position changes have been defensive players going to the offensive side.
We've all seen what the offense can do when were hitting on all four cylinders.
I guess two years ago sparkey woods was a bad coach when he couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken s--t.
Kines has been more fortunate with depth and not many injuries. If you notice all the position changes have been defensive players going to the offensive side.
We've all seen what the offense can do when were hitting on all four cylinders.
I guess two years ago sparkey woods was a bad coach when he couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken s--t.
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