I'm not ready to annoint DeBoer superior to Kirby. Kirby's got two national titles and has won at a very, very high rate in the last five to six years.Who would you take from UGA's staff or roster?
DeBoer > Smart
Grubb > Bobo
Womack > Schumann
Simpson > Stockton
Williams > ???
Miller ? ???
Fair points.I'm not ready to annoint DeBoer superior to Kirby. Kirby's got two national titles and has won at a very, very high rate in the last five to six years.
DeBoer beat Kirby head up, but I don't think that's a sign of coaching superiority unless we're ready to say that Vanderbilt's coach is better than Deboer.
I remember Steve Spurrier saying Nick Saban was a bit of a disappointment given the talented recruits he landed. #1 class after #1 class, but only 6 national championships in 17 years. I do not take Spurrier's critique as "Only six national championships? What a loser!" but as "A coach who managed to bring in so many talented players years after year should have won every other year or so."Fair points.
And until CKD wins a NC (which I believe he will if he keeps recruiting at this pace) the Bama Nation will have these questions.
Many people believe great coaches have made Bama, but I believe Bama also makes great coaches. CNS, as good as he was pre-Bama, got even better at Bama!
But even CNS wasn't "perfect." It never got discussed too much, but CNS's greatest coaching acumen was being an elite recruiter. In-game coaching, at times, left something to be desired. He certainly was very, very good in-game (and a few plays come to mind, which would be a good thread discussion), but I believe it was his attention for details in game preparation and recruiting that made him the GOAT.
I firmly believe his MO was to sign the best players, develop them further and let talent be the difference. In this NIL era, there's more balance on rosters, but I still believe the most talented teams will be the ones who win most of the NCs.
I think the Ole Ball Coach needs to look in a mirror and ask himself the same question about his hayday at Florida. He only won ONE national title, yet had some of the most talented teams in the country on top of running an offense that was way ahead of defenses at the time.I remember Steve Spurrier saying Nick Saban was a bit of a disappointment given the talent recruits he landed. #1 class after #1 class, but only 6 national championships in 17 years. I do not take Spurrier's critique as "Only six national championships? What a loser!" but as "A coach who managed to bring in so many talented players years after year should have won every other year or so."
I do not know. Spurrier is not slouch of a coach, so his opinion is worth listening to, but winning a national championship is always difficult. You have to assemble the pieces, avoid injuries, and have the ball bounce your way a few times.
Yeah there were lots of seasons where the Gators could or even should have played for a NC under CSS but they failed.I think the Ole Ball Coach needs to look in a mirror and ask himself the same question about his hayday at Florida. He only won ONE national title, yet had some of the most talented teams in the country on top of running an offense that was way ahead of defenses at the time.
I still remember watching that Nebraska - Florida national championship. Watching Tommie Frazier drag Florida players all over the field. I distinctly remember laughing.Yeah there were lots of season where the Gators could or even should have played for a NC under CSS but they failed.
1993 - Finished 11-2 Ranked #4/#5 with losses to 11-0 AU (Undefeated) and 12-1 FSU (National Champion) - Not bad losses really but win those two or maybe even the FSU game and they play Neb for the NC
1994 - Finished 10-2-1 Ranked #7 with losses to 9-1-1 AU and a Loss and Tie to 10-1-1 FSU - Again not bad and it was 2 losses and a tie by a combined 9 points. It might not have mattered though because that was the year both Neb and PSU finished undefeated and PSU was #2
1995 - Finished 12-1 Ranked #2/#3 and got MURDERED by Neb in the Fiesta Bowl
1997 - Finished 10-2 Ranked #4/#6 with losses to 9-3 LSU and 10-2 UGA. They were defending NC's and were #1 until the LSU loss and really should not have lost either game.
1998 - Finished 10-2 Ranked #5/#6 with losses to 13-0 Tenn in OT (National Champion) and 11-2 FSU. Not bad losses but could have won them.
2001 - Finished 10-2 Ranked #3 with losses to 7-5 AU (bad loss) and 11-2 Tenn. They were preseason #1 and again could have won those games.
There may even be a couple more seasons they had a shot but yes the point is CSS had GREAT teams that absolutely could or should have won more NCs
When they didn't it was almost always a close loss to either AU, Tenn, or FSU that knocked them out of contention and three times they did lose to the eventual NC.
We didn't win them all under CNS but we did win 6 NC in 12 Seasons from 2009-2020. That's an insane 50% winning %
From 2009-2021 we appeared in 9 NCGs in 13 seasons... that's 69% of seasons we made it to the NCG
CSS had 9 teams win 10 or more games in 11 seasons from 1991-2001 but only twice did he make the NCG and only won it once.
I like Spurrier... but yeah dude look in the mirror.
I don't know if I'm in the minority or not but I actually really liked watching those Physical Triple Option Nebraska teams in the 80's and 90's.I still remember watching that Nebraska - Florida national championship. Watching Tommie Frazier drag Florida players all over the field. I distinctly remember laughing.
Fraziers was a pretty good run and very important in its impact of college football, but I still think Linnie Patrick's run against the Barn was better.I still remember watching that Nebraska - Florida national championship. Watching Tommie Frazier drag Florida players all over the field. I distinctly remember laughing.
Spurrier was pure Offense. Always "close, but no cigar" 'til he hired Bob Stoops. Not only did Stoops revamp his Defense but he ran the whole Florida operation, freeing Spurrier to gameplan and coach the O. Just read what CSS was saying about Stoops at the time. I've never heard more Hosannahs.Yeah there were lots of seasons where the Gators could or even should have played for a NC under CSS but they failed.
1993 - Finished 11-2 Ranked #4/#5 with losses to 11-0 AU (Undefeated) and 12-1 FSU (National Champion) - Not bad losses really but win those two or maybe even the FSU game and they play Neb for the NC
1994 - Finished 10-2-1 Ranked #7 with losses to 9-1-1 AU and a Loss and Tie to 10-1-1 FSU - Again not bad and it was 2 losses and a tie by a combined 9 points. It might not have mattered though because that was the year both Neb and PSU finished undefeated and PSU was #2
1995 - Finished 12-1 Ranked #2/#3 and got MURDERED by Neb in the Fiesta Bowl
1997 - Finished 10-2 Ranked #4/#6 with losses to 9-3 LSU and 10-2 UGA. They were defending NC's and were #1 until the LSU loss and really should not have lost either game.
1998 - Finished 10-2 Ranked #5/#6 with losses to 13-0 Tenn in OT (National Champion) and 11-2 FSU. Not bad losses but could have won them.
2001 - Finished 10-2 Ranked #3 with losses to 7-5 AU (bad loss) and 11-2 Tenn. They were preseason #1 and again could have won those games.
There may even be a couple more seasons they had a shot but yes the point is CSS had GREAT teams that absolutely could or should have won more NCs
When they didn't it was almost always a close loss to either AU, Tenn, or FSU that knocked them out of contention and three times they did lose to the eventual NC.
We didn't win them all under CNS but we did win 6 NC in 12 Seasons from 2009-2020. That's an insane 50% winning %
From 2009-2021 we appeared in 9 NCGs in 13 seasons... that's 69% of seasons we made it to the NCG
CSS had 9 teams win 10 or more games in 11 seasons from 1991-2001 but only twice did he make the NCG and only won it once.
I like Spurrier... but yeah dude look in the mirror.
CNS wasn't the only coach to bring in the good players. Thus only 6 titles. The player parity has boomed in recent years. It's difficult to stay at the top, and coaching definitely makes a difference. Especially with so many good players. Right now, the SEC has 9 teams in the AP pre-season top 25. Five are in the top 11, and have a legit shot at the playoff. That says a lot about parity in the SEC. You can't just rely on top talent. Other teams have it too.I remember Steve Spurrier saying Nick Saban was a bit of a disappointment given the talented recruits he landed. #1 class after #1 class, but only 6 national championships in 17 years. I do not take Spurrier's critique as "Only six national championships? What a loser!" but as "A coach who managed to bring in so many talented players years after year should have won every other year or so."
I do not know. Spurrier is not slouch of a coach, so his opinion is worth listening to, but winning a national championship is always difficult. You have to assemble the pieces, avoid injuries, and have the ball bounce your way a few times.
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