I would have required a drug screening to find out if they were smoking weed. The police ride-alongs were also a great idea. Any other action would come from the results of the drug test.
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I would have required a drug screening to find out if they were smoking weed. The police ride-alongs were also a great idea. Any other action would come from the results of the drug test.
Were they drug-tested when arrested? I don't remember seeing anything in regards drugs in their systems, one way or the other.
We can debate the relative merits of legalizing weed on NS - but the bottom line is that it is against the rules in NCAA as well as NFL & that extends to you whether you play for Alabama or the Colorado Buffs, Falcons or the Broncos. You want the benefits of participating you have to abide by those rules. Whatever punishment our coaches feel appropriate to keep our players inside the rules is fine by me.
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That generally requires a warrant. Would be interesting to know if police sought one or why they chose not to.
Like I tried to say in the last thread, we needed to let this work itself our before there was a witch hunt on either side. Glad it is all worked out and I LOVE the punishment handed down by Saban. He's better than some judges up here in DC.
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I'm not sure what the "he deserves punishment" crowd is looking for?
He clearly didn't steal the weapon given the report on its theft being all the way in Baldwin County. It may have been several degrees removed the thief by the time he purchased it. Who knows? If he purchased it from a pawn shop or some other used firearm vendor, the blame falls more on them than Cam Robinson. Even if Cam purchased it with the knowledge it may have been stolen, the state can no more prove that than the defense can disprove that the officer smelled marijuana. It goes both ways in justice. I'd like to hope that isn't the case but the burden is entirely on the state to prove it and they didn't have the evidence to do so.
I knew pretty early on that there was little chance that charge lasted and his judicial punishment would lay entirely on the amount of marijuana present in the vehicle. If it was a large amount, it could have been an intent to distribute felony and the presence of firearms would be a compounding factor that they were indeed trying to distribute. It wasn't and it was on the DA to decide if a misdemeanor offense was worth a high profile case that was rapidly heading in the direction where the MPD would get dragged through the mud.
And that is what digs at me...a lot of people want to stop the arresting for minor drug offenses, pull back from the war on drugs, but they want fire and brimstone for a gram of pot. It is just trifling "lets kick at the champ" bs. Especially from the media where I feel that sentiment is widely held.
He clearly didn't steal the weapon given the report on its theft being all the way in Baldwin County. It may have been several degrees removed the thief by the time he purchased it. Who knows? If he purchased it from a pawn shop or some other used firearm vendor, the blame falls more on them than Cam Robinson. Even if Cam purchased it with the knowledge it may have been stolen, the state can no more prove that than the defense can disprove that the officer smelled marijuana. It goes both ways in justice. I'd like to hope that isn't the case but the burden is entirely on the state to prove it and they didn't have the evidence to do so.
I knew pretty early on that there was little chance that charge lasted and his judicial punishment would lay entirely on the amount of marijuana present in the vehicle. If it was a large amount, it could have been an intent to distribute felony and the presence of firearms would be a compounding factor that they were indeed trying to distribute. It wasn't and it was on the DA to decide if a misdemeanor offense was worth a high profile case that was rapidly heading in the direction where the MPD would get dragged through the mud.
And that is what digs at me...a lot of people want to stop the arresting for minor drug offenses, pull back from the war on drugs, but they want fire and brimstone for a gram of pot. It is just trifling "lets kick at the champ" bs. Especially from the media where I feel that sentiment is widely held.
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This whole incident is an object lesson in avoiding adverse situations.
The facts are: Four young men were in a car. Together. At 2AM or so. In a closed park. Withat least two guns in said car. And a small amount of marijuana.
Out of all of that, only the marijuana is illegal. And even that is only marginally so. On top of which, there's no reasonable way to determine who it belonged to.
But unless you have a Pollyanna outlook on all aspects of the world, you have to admit that the combination of all those undisputed facts is a bad look.
It would appear that the cop was selective in his arrests. And that the case was essentially un-prosecutable.
But if they don't put themselves in such a vulnerable situation, none of this happens at all.
At an entirely different level of severity, there are parallels between that and Kate Upton strolling by a construction site in a thong bikini and stiletto heels, then complaining about sexual harassment when the inevitable hoots, hollers, catcalls and invitations pour forth.
She did not one thing illegal. But she put herself in a situation where the results of her perfectly legal actions were reasonably predictable, and everyone all around would have been better off if she'd used just a smidgen of common sense and discretion.
Legal actions aren't always smart ones.
The facts are: Four young men were in a car. Together. At 2AM or so. In a closed park. Withat least two guns in said car. And a small amount of marijuana.
Out of all of that, only the marijuana is illegal. And even that is only marginally so. On top of which, there's no reasonable way to determine who it belonged to.
But unless you have a Pollyanna outlook on all aspects of the world, you have to admit that the combination of all those undisputed facts is a bad look.
It would appear that the cop was selective in his arrests. And that the case was essentially un-prosecutable.
But if they don't put themselves in such a vulnerable situation, none of this happens at all.
At an entirely different level of severity, there are parallels between that and Kate Upton strolling by a construction site in a thong bikini and stiletto heels, then complaining about sexual harassment when the inevitable hoots, hollers, catcalls and invitations pour forth.
She did not one thing illegal. But she put herself in a situation where the results of her perfectly legal actions were reasonably predictable, and everyone all around would have been better off if she'd used just a smidgen of common sense and discretion.
Legal actions aren't always smart ones.
Thanks,
Personally I am glad Coach Saban takes the approach he does. Some may see this as punishment for some crimes (maybe there is some of that, but I don't think that is the majority of the intent). I see this as teaching moments for some mistakes. They may not get anything out of this, but if they don't that is on them.
I think Coach handled it incredibly well.
Agreed 100%. All the actions in the document are designed to prevent recurrence. They also require a lot of work and take up enough time that it's both punishment and deterrence.
I also think Saban knew about, and probably facilitated, the publication of the actions. We've had other incidents, and not one word as to how it was handled internally got out. Not so here.
He knew how it would look to remain publicly silent on his response to a bad (thought not prosecutable) set of facts involving the combination of drugs and guns.
The man is a genius at building both his own brand and the image of his program. Think this won't register with parents on the recruiting trail?
He knows when to keep quiet and when to go public, even when it's not him personally going public. This is why he's a bargain, even at $8 million a year.
If the Alabama brand and ball team were a publicly traded commodity he'd be worth billions.
According to my friends (Ole Miss Grads), the only reason they got off was that the DA Jerry Jones was a Bama Grad. Then they changed their story to he and his family are big Bama Boosters. Now it is that he and his family are Bama Fans.
I sure hope that nobody is going to say that my Ole Miss friends (true defenders of virtue and morality) are incorrect????
I sure hope that nobody is going to say that my Ole Miss friends (true defenders of virtue and morality) are incorrect????
I do not think athletes should get preferential treatment, but I do think they should be held to a higher standard outside of the legal system because of all that is given them (I'm not implying inappropriate benefits, just simply mean full ride to college, with some additional perks.) If a DA doesn't have enough or appropriately gathered evidence to put forth a trial with a high percentage of a conviction, then he shouldn't waste taxpayers money in doing so and create a circus. Internally is a different story. I would have to believe that the behavior of Robinson and Jones is not what Saban expects of his players and thus he has every right and should discipline them internally. As a fan, I would like to see it at a minimum of the first half of the first game, but would prefer one game.
How do you feel about the discipline Les has doled out, specifically his reliance on team votes for determining the punishment?
From Tuesday in The Ouachita Citizen:
[h=1]Police reports, DNA evidence not enough for DA in Alabama ball players' case[/h]
[h=1]Police reports, DNA evidence not enough for DA in Alabama ball players' case[/h]
Not a fan of how he handled the Jeremy Hill situation in 2013, which is what I assume you are referring to. I thought he had a pretty good record for many years with internal discipline, but that started changing in 2011. The players love him, but sometimes for the wrong reasons. I'd rather see a tough, but fair approach.
Yeah, as opposed to those ball and musket handguns some people carry around...
I also laugh at the notion that a gram of marijuana could be in plain view. Considering that was all that turned up I do find that extremely unlikely.
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