Deboer Job Status

[tusks_n_raider]

I’ve been around now a long time. To my knowledge, Bama fans when talking to each other don’t call our team “Alabama”. We may say “we”, “Bama”, “our team”, “the tide”. Etc.

but I never call us Alabama amongst friends.

I feel I usually refer to us that way too among our own. Probably over 90% of the time.

But sometimes I like to add a little razzle dazzle and put Stress on who we are:

 

[RdunawayTX]

Goodness!

If we lose this game, next week this board is going to be terrible!

If we show up, play our butts off, are dialed in, and are trying our hardest, I can take the L. I don't want it, but hats off to a better team (if they beat us). I can live with that.

I can't live with another FSU effort level.

 

[RdunawayTX]

I wish Bama was playing a game pretty soon. I hate the off season stuff like this.
Oh wait a minute…..

By the way, I’ve got a new grandson. Born last night, on MY BIRTHDAY!!!

Congrats! I asked my oldest when she and her husband were going to have kids. She sent me a picture of her cat.

 

[BamaNation]

By the way, I’ve got a new grandson. Born last night, on MY BIRTHDAY!!!

CONGRATS to CB4 Gen2 on CB4 Gen3! ... ANNNND Happy Birthday!

 

[BamaInBham]

I’ve been around now a long time. To my knowledge, Bama fans when talking to each other don’t call our team “Alabama”. We may say “we”, “Bama”, “our team”, “the tide”. Etc.

but I never call us Alabama amongst friends.

Don’t mean to be contrarian but people are different. Many view this like you and “Bama” is a term of endearment. Even from a little boy forward I rarely referred to anyone except by their given name because nicknames were often unkind. I almost always use “Alabama” in speech or writing. One reason is that sometimes, IMO, people say Bama in such a way as to convey contempt or ridicule. Tim Brando whose public persona is to despise Alabama, does this. There are others, though certainly not all. Many Bama fans and respectful opponents say or write it simply for convenience - 2 syllables rather than 4 - or like you, use it as a term of endearment.

Having said all of that, I share your suspicions about the poster, but am not sure.

 

[CB4]

CONGRATS to CB4 Gen2 on CB4 Gen3! ... ANNNND Happy Birthday!

Thank you.

Putting the wife on a flight Monday to SAT for 10 days to help my son and DIL. They also have a 2 1/2 yo daughter so they need the extra hands.

So just me and my dog holding down the fort here.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

We should go to their board and start a thread asking about the Reverend Freeze being replaced and by whom...

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Thank you.

Putting the wife on a flight Monday to SAT for 10 days to help my son and DIL. They also have a 2 1/2 yo daughter so they need the extra hands.

So just me and my dog holding down the fort here.

Man! That is a long flight!

 

[Cruiser]

We should go to their board and start a thread asking about the Reverend Freeze being replaced and by whom...

I should think there are already several ??
In fact; they may have a permanent category; "Recruiting/Coaches"

 

[Bamabuzzard]

LOVE This!

I think DeBoer has it in him (from an X's and O's standpoint) to be a great coach. However, I think the other parts of his coaching "style" needs to change to allow him to succeed in the SEC. It sounds like he is willing to make those changes. I said it after the FSU game, if he somehow survives this thin ice situation he's walking on currently, he will definitely be "our guy" and I predicted he'd go on to win two national titles. He's currently in the middle of a roaring fire with the Alabama fanbase and former players. There's no doubt he's in survival mode right now and many times when we're in survival mode things start to develop in us that otherwise wouldn't. So my hope is he survives this roaring fire, because if he does, then I KNOW he's "the guy" for us.

 

[cdub55]

I should think there are already several ??
In fact; they may have a permanent category; "Recruiting/Coaches"

That tab can be found under the VIP Exclusive Category, "GoFundMe 4 fired coaches".

 

[Con]

There are A LOT (and I mean A LOT) of very good to elite athletes that simply cannot handle being coached "nice". Their nature is to slack off, rebel, act up, not put in the work, shortcut everything and overall not do what they're supposed to do. You can see it at a very young age as well. Most kids I coach at the travel ball level, you can't "coddle them" or "be their friend". They will let up in their effort in a heartbeat, and many of them will take advantage of you. My guess not much changes when they get ot college. You have to ride their butts more times than not.

The Dallas Cowboys did the same thing when Jimmy Johnson left. It is kind of funny how Jimmy Johnson coached with as much attention to detail and was tougher on them like Saban was our guys. Barry Switzer was much more laid back and it caused them to slip quite a bit.

 

[bamaga]

seriously, since we continued with this thread, anyone else feel like this is CKD first real job. I know I know he took Washington to the championship game two years ago and won a bunch of division two championships and he was on staff at Indiana head coach at Fresno but none of that I believe prepares you for being a head coach in this league. maybe if he was on staff in Indiana for a while longer and saw Big Ten programs big-time football close maybe he would understand what it took. but, I have a feeling that he wasn’t really totally prepared for this job. so with that there seems to be a little learning on the job, about what it takes to be a head coach in this environment . All things considered, he has done an OK job and I think he can do an excellent job. He just has to learn what it means to be an excellent coach. This weekend, will go a long way to showing if he’s made strides. Win or lose, as others have said, it’s the way the team plays.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

If he can't figure out how to motivate and play better on the road and win SEC games on the road.....his stay won't be longer than the end of next season.

Especially with those road losses...Vandy / Oklahoma / Tennessee / FSU (add Michigan) and that's 5 games where DeBoer's team has looked unprepared.

Add potential road losses to Georgia, Missouri, South Carolina and Auburn this year......no SEC coach can withstand that.

I have seen some SEC teams this year that causes me great concern about our O-line.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

seriously, since we continued with this thread, anyone else feel like this is CKD first real job. I know I know he took Washington to the championship game two years ago and won a bunch of division two championships and he was on staff at Indiana head coach at Fresno but none of that I believe prepares you for being a head coach in this league. maybe if he was on staff in Indiana for a while longer and saw Big Ten programs big-time football close maybe he would understand what it took. but, I have a feeling that he wasn’t really totally prepared for this job. so with that there seems to be a little learning on the job, about what it takes to be a head coach in this environment . All things considered, he has done an OK job and I think he can do an excellent job. He just has to learn what it means to be an excellent coach. This weekend, will go a long way to showing if he’s made strides. Win or lose, as others have said, it’s the way the team plays.

Very fair point. I think we can point to Billy Napier as a present example of not being prepared to coach in the SEC. I think Napier is a very good coach, but no where he coached up until getting the Florida job prepared him for how it was going to be in the SEC and specifically at Florida. I think DeBoer may be going through some of that now. He's learning that some of the stuff he's done at other stops simply doesn't work here, in the SEC. My guess is he's also learning that he has to be more hands on and detail oriented when preparing week to week. Everybody's going to give us their best shot, their best preparation, etc. There's zero room for letup in our preparation on a weekly basis. I think he's learning some of that as well. The next several weeks should tell us a lot about DeBoer's future and whether he can cut it here or not. This job and conference isn't for the faint of heart.

 

[Cruloc]

I have seen some SEC teams this year that causes me great concern about our O-line.

LSU and Oklahoma specifically, they generate a lot of pressures. We, at least, play them at home.

Georgia isn't generating pressures like those two, but given our OL so far, and being on the road....that could change tomorrow.

 

[KrAzY3]

I'm trying to withhold judgement until the Georgia game. The FSU debacle happened, nothing can change that, but if you're going to lose games like that you need to show up for games like Georgia.

In terms of the long-term plans... I do not think you can continue a failed experiment for years simply because it's difficult to make the change. Mind you, if you have no other candidates you stick with what you have, but if you decide this isn't working you have to start making plans that very day as to what your next move is.

I also honestly find myself a bit perplexed by the talk of the buyout being a hindrance. The University recently took out a 34 million dollar loan for a golf practice facility. It boggles my mind to think you could afford to do that but not be able to take care of the football program that earns about 100 times as much.

I'm not exaggerating much either, from what I've seen the golf program brings in 1.7 million a year, and to reiterate it got a 34 million dollar loan (from the University) to build a practice facility (which cost 47 million in total) yet the football program which brings in 140 million annually might not be able to afford a buyout?

I know I know he took Washington to the championship game two years ago and won a bunch of division two championships

There are asterisks on both of those though. What he did at Washington was with Penix and a bunch of Covid seniors. That's not reproducible, they had 13 six year Covid seniors and 13 5th year seniors as well. He'll never have that again. It's one reason I said he'd leave Washington if Alabama offered, Washington was a one-off situation and objectively a sell-high position.

I also think a lot of people also don't understand the exact circumstance of his success at Sioux Falls.
A: NAIA just isn't comparable in any way to power conference football.
B: He inherited the program from Bob Young who also won a national championship there.

Mind you, he took the program to new heights but it's NAIA. The level of competition and athletes is in no way comparable.

 

[TideMan09]

It can go different ways depending who we lose too, if we lose too Georgia, Oklahoma, The Viles & The Barners..

I can see the wheels completely falling off The Deboer Era at Bama this year..

Hopefully we win the SEC & make the playoffs, but, this is as brutal of a schedule I can remember & there's noooooo room for error at all or it will get ugly reallyyyy quickly..

 

[Elefantman]

We took out 34 million loan for a golf facility? Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a country club?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

It can go different ways depending who we lose too, if we lose too Georgia, Oklahoma, The Viles & The Barners..

I can see the wheels completely falling off The Deboer Era at Bama this year..

Hopefully we win the SEC & make the playoffs, but, this is as brutal of a schedule I can remember & there's noooooo room for error at all or it will get ugly reallyyyy quickly..

We always look at our schedule and how tough it is, but there are other teams who have tough schedules ahead of them as well. Georgia has four "loseable" games ahead of them. Again, they aren't the dominant team they were back during the two NC years, nowhere close. And all depending on how Miss St turns out, that game in Starkville may not be a cake walk either. I'm not sure how good they are. They beat an Arizona St they weren't supposed to beat and I watched the game and just in that game I could tell Miss St appears to be a lot better this season than last. UGA doesn't have a cake walk either.