News Article: Deshaun Watson alleged sexual assault grows to seven

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The main goal should always be to get it right and no one sits in prison for something they did not do or someone goes free for something they did do. When/If a six-figure settlement suffices, rather than trying to put a potential sexual predator behind bars, then I begin questioning things.
Both sides agreed that a settlement was demanded last Monday from Buzzbe. Buzzbe even said he sought an out of court settlement through Watson’s agent.




He said he first sought to resolve the matter outside of court with Watson's agent, who he said "minimized these allegations" and "did not take them seriously."

"What we received, instead of cooperation with Mr. Watson's agent, was dismissive behavior and, frankly, incredible arrogance," Buzbee said.

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The main goal should always be to get it right and no one sits in prison for something they did not do or someone goes free for something they did do. When/If a six-figure settlement suffices, rather than trying to put a potential sexual predator behind bars, then I begin questioning things.
We have both systems for a reason, and both are 100% legitimate. The burden of proof is on the accuser, and too many people doubt this type of accusation, especially when a celebrity is involved. Without physical evidence, these crimes will almost never be punished. That's how people like Cosby get away with it for so long.
 

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We have both systems for a reason, and both are 100% legitimate. The burden of proof is on the accuser, and too many people doubt this type of accusation, especially when a celebrity is involved. Without physical evidence, these crimes will almost never be punished. That's how people like Cosby get away with it for so long.
Without physical evidence, why are we assuming a crime was committed? Granted, it doesn't mean it didn't actually happen. But some form of evidence needs to be produced before we start deeming guilt. For the record, I call text messages or any other form of digital communications "physical" evidence.

There are things in this ESPN article they could easily check to see if any of these accusations have legitimacy. For example, the article states on more than one occasion Watson sent a text to the alleged victims asking if they were "okay". Those texts should be able to be produced and would at least be some form of evidence. But having zero evidence other than an accusation isn't enough for me to deem someone guilty or think someone is owed a six-figure settlement.

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Without physical evidence, why are we assuming a crime was committed? Granted, it doesn't mean it didn't actually happen. But some form of evidence needs to be produced before we start deeming guilt. For the record, I call text messages or any other form of digital communications "physical" evidence.

There are things in this ESPN article they could easily check to see if any of these accusations have legitimacy. For example, the article states on more than one occasion Watson sent a text to the alleged victims asking if they were "okay". Those texts should be able to be produced and would at least be some form of evidence. But having zero evidence other than an accusation isn't enough for me to deem someone guilty or think someone is owed a six-figure settlement.

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I am not assuming anything. But I believe that there is a bonfire's worth of smoke here. Heck, there is a forest fire's worth of smoke here.

If we are to believe that this is made up then it is a huge conspiracy involving more than a dozen people. The first woman reached out to this attorney, not the other way around. When the attorney began looking for evidence he did a smart thing - he started looking for other victims. Why? Because it would make the case much more solid, and that is necessary in these situations.

Well, he found them - lots of them. Somehow finding lots of them is supposed to be worse for him than finding none or only a few. That is backwards thinking. When 16 women come forward and claim sexual assault, we need to take those accusations seriously. And if all that we have is their testimony, then that is also evidence - very compelling evidence. But I expect that there is additional evidence, like records of the services rendered and the like.

Some people just do not believe victims like this. It is a shame. It is the reason that so many women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime.
 

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I am not assuming anything. But I believe that there is a bonfire's worth of smoke here. Heck, there is a forest fire's worth of smoke here.

If we are to believe that this is made up then it is a huge conspiracy involving more than a dozen people. The first woman reached out to this attorney, not the other way around. When the attorney began looking for evidence he did a smart thing - he started looking for other victims. Why? Because it would make the case much more solid, and that is necessary in these situations.
But here is the thing. Buzbee has been engaging in threats of this becoming a criminal case yet he refuses to turn everything over to the law. He constantly is saying “this isn’t about money”, but yet both sides have indicated that he tried for a settlement last Monday. Both of those facts really points to this IS about money and he has probably 2-3 cases that could potentially win but everything else is being done to win the public support.

Like I said we need a thorough investigation, but at this point it looks like we are in for a never ending amount of lawyer games. Maybe we get a settlement but I doubt this goes to court.
 

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Like I said we need a thorough investigation, but at this point it looks like we are in for a never ending amount of lawyer games.
The women and Watson will decide this, not you or me or the attorney. What is important is that these women be satisfied - not you or me.
 

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What is important is that these women be satisfied - not you or me.
That’s assuming this allegations are true... something none of us know at this point. But if they are then yes I hope they are.

But anyways I see this as a beginning and we are probably not going to see a conclusion anytime soon. Anyways....
 
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That’s assuming this allegations are true...
I would be willing to bet a great deal of money that this happened to all or most of these women. Not because I know any more than you do, but because the number of women who make false accusations like this is vanishingly small. The idea of 16 different women doing so - that is something that stretches credulity.
 

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I would be willing to bet a great deal of money that this happened to all or most of these women. Not because I know any more than you do, but because the number of women who make false accusations like this is vanishingly small. The idea of 16 different women doing so - that is something that stretches credulity.
Look let’s call a truce on this because we are just going to keep talking past each other. Ultimately we are coming from opposite sides of this but we ultimately want the same thing. I want to see justice no matter what way it turns out.

My general opinion is that something inappropriate did happen but what and how are up for debate. I think if it was obvious of what and how then this would’ve been paid off last week, but both sides are arguing over those things. I think a settlement is ultimately going to be reached and there will be no criminal proceedings.

Agree on somethings, disagree on others, and agree to disagree on the rest. But ultimately agree on due process and justice.
 
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What is a bit coinky-dinky (or maybe not) is the timing of these things coming out and that the lawyer is a neighbor of Texan's owner. I wonder if the Texans have known about these things and seeing Watson has basically given them the middle finger, they are now saying "okay, well here's our middle finger". Far fetched, or maybe not? 🤷‍♂️
 

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What is a bit coinky-dinky (or maybe not) is the timing of these things coming out and that the lawyer is a neighbor of Texan's owner. I wonder if the Texans have known about these things and seeing Watson has basically given them the middle finger, they are now saying "okay, well here's our middle finger". Far fetched, or maybe not? 🤷‍♂️
I wouldn't be surprised, though if true, and they knew about it, then they are just as culpable as he is.
 
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He appears to be leaving a paper trail a mile wide.
I think you're right. This is not going to end well for him and rightfully so. The next one who should be sweating is the Texans' organization to whether or not they knew about these allegations last year. The question is beginning to be asked by more than just internet message boards.
 
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I think you're right. This is not going to end well for him and rightfully so. The next one who should be sweating is the Texans' organization to whether or not they knew about these allegations last year. The question is beginning to be asked by more than just internet message boards.
Not sure if this is still the case or not, but NFL teams used to have "fixers" for issues like this. If the Texans had Watson working with a fixer, the paper trail would not have happened. It is possible that the Texans did not know. If they did, they certainly didn't give Watson helpful advice.
 

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Whelp, regardless of the settlements to avoid going to court, his NFL career is more than likely over.
Unless this goes to criminal court then I doubt he receives the NFL black ball. Antonio Brown just caught a touchdown in the Super Bowl and he has a thesis’s worth of domestic violence and other criminal offenses still pending. Yet multiple teams are open to get him. The NFL isn’t as family oriented as many think. Talent is the ultimate deciding factor. Is it right? No but it’s the truth.

Yes the Ray Rice case is a good example that goes against this but also remember Ray Rice was on camera doing it and it was a huge embarrassment on the commissioner.