Did T-Town Menswear Cause an NCAA Violation For Alabama? (UA says no)
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You are more than welcome. and fwiw, I think Auburn jump the gun ( or is it shark...maybe tractor, sheep, or cow, I'm not sure) a little to early. This matter will be resolved before Penn State, and no one will have to sit. If they had waited another couple of weeks, CNS might have had to sit players during the games until another investigation is complete.
The post with the link about the C&D letter sent to the company making the Michigan tshirts with likenesses of Denard Robinson on them was an interesting read. I do freelance work for a company which makes some sports memorabilia, and they have a license to do some Alabama stuff. The guidelines they put forth state pretty clearly that you can't put likenesses of the players on this merchandise - not in any way, whether it be their signature or their photo or even a drawing of them.
But think about how many paintings Daniel Moore has painted - and sold - with likenesses of many different players - many paintings came out while the players were still in school. He also does paintings for Auburn, etc. Daniel Moore has made a lot of money off of these paintings. So I wonder what the difference is - there's got to be some interpretation of the bylaws which allow for this.
The point is, rules are rules, but many times they're up for interpretation. ALL schools let their athletes sign autographs, and a huge hunk of that stuff winds up on Ebay or sold in memorabilia stores in flea markets, etc. It happens everywhere, and obviously schools police it to a degree, but a lot falls through the cracks.
Unless any of our guys took benefits of any kind in exchange for their autographs, there is really not a problem here, period. And the compliance dept. would have ways of finding that out, and would have been on it very quickly. Don't make the mistake of assuming Bama's compliance dept. is like Ohio State's and Auburn's. When you're staring down the barrel of a gun for several years, you make sure everything's on the up and up.
But think about how many paintings Daniel Moore has painted - and sold - with likenesses of many different players - many paintings came out while the players were still in school. He also does paintings for Auburn, etc. Daniel Moore has made a lot of money off of these paintings. So I wonder what the difference is - there's got to be some interpretation of the bylaws which allow for this.
The point is, rules are rules, but many times they're up for interpretation. ALL schools let their athletes sign autographs, and a huge hunk of that stuff winds up on Ebay or sold in memorabilia stores in flea markets, etc. It happens everywhere, and obviously schools police it to a degree, but a lot falls through the cracks.
Unless any of our guys took benefits of any kind in exchange for their autographs, there is really not a problem here, period. And the compliance dept. would have ways of finding that out, and would have been on it very quickly. Don't make the mistake of assuming Bama's compliance dept. is like Ohio State's and Auburn's. When you're staring down the barrel of a gun for several years, you make sure everything's on the up and up.
I have begun to think about the next step here and it seems even more confusing. Compliance sent the letter in Dec., so hopefully none of this is new to them. Do they open a new investigation even though they thought nothing was wrong before? Do they contact SEC, NCAA now? If they don't do anything do they risk NCAA coming here asking questions and then possible eligibility concerns and risk of "vacations"? Or do they go to NCAA to get all parties "OK'd" even though they haven't been "not OK'd"? Hope that made sense.
Sure is a whole lot of speculation going around on all sides.
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Forgive me for doing so, but i looked at his new article about the steakhouse. Again all he has is a picture that tells us nothing. From his POV Trent has to prove that the store owner didnt buy Trents food for this not show a violation. Clay is of course wrong. They are eating at Japanese steak house and Trent is obviously on a date, the store owner is next to him, but so are two police officers and two other patrons. If youve ever been to one of these places you know YOU GET SEATED WITH PEOPLE NOT IN YOUR PARTY.
There's likely no way to prove one way or another that Trent was there with the store owner all this shows was that they sat next to one another during dinner. There's also no proof whatsoever to show that Trent received any benefit or not. All it really shows is that he knows the store owner which of course we could have already figured out, and is of course not a violation.
Clay also notes Scarbinsky's article from today and blatantly twits a bit of it to fit his purposes. KS noted today that there is still a TR jersey with a BCS logo on it signed on display in the store, however notes that it is white, the team wore crimson that day if we all remember. Clay claims in the article that is a game worn signed jersey when it is obviously a replica.
As KS's article goes it was very similar to Izzy's yesterday accept full of more contempt. Its essentially "You said no comment, so I'm going to make you pay for not talking to me"
And he really only poses questions that are certainly fair to ask, but can only be answered by hypothetical situations anyway.
Just so you don't have to click on them like i did I figured I'd tell you what they had to say.
There's likely no way to prove one way or another that Trent was there with the store owner all this shows was that they sat next to one another during dinner. There's also no proof whatsoever to show that Trent received any benefit or not. All it really shows is that he knows the store owner which of course we could have already figured out, and is of course not a violation.
Clay also notes Scarbinsky's article from today and blatantly twits a bit of it to fit his purposes. KS noted today that there is still a TR jersey with a BCS logo on it signed on display in the store, however notes that it is white, the team wore crimson that day if we all remember. Clay claims in the article that is a game worn signed jersey when it is obviously a replica.
As KS's article goes it was very similar to Izzy's yesterday accept full of more contempt. Its essentially "You said no comment, so I'm going to make you pay for not talking to me"
And he really only poses questions that are certainly fair to ask, but can only be answered by hypothetical situations anyway.
Just so you don't have to click on them like i did I figured I'd tell you what they had to say.
I’ve got to add my .02. Seems something was starting down the wrong path with this particular person and his establishment. But because of our compliance dept and their antennas being up, it appears that it was caught before anything happened that would cause any unpleasantness with us and the dreaded Nzaa handbook. Everything that I’ve gathered from reading about our program in today’s world is that we are trying to run a clean program. Saban knows that with the Alabama name and his ability to sell the University to these kids is all that is needed to attract top talent . The last thing he would want is somebody sabotaging his program thru petty rules violations. So I feel comfortable that everything was handled with this matter in the appropriate way. This is not the typical barner type of response with “nothing to see here, these are not the droids you seekâ€Â. This has been looked into by a working, active compliance dept that knows we are under a microscope with regards to being on probation and a bitter cross-state looney that is about to see their program go down to davey jones locker and they are going to be reaching and grabbing hold to anything to try to pull us down with them. With us knowing all that with our circumstances, I’ll say it again I feel comfortable that this all was handled in a correct fashion, because it must be.
"If a student-athlete’s name or picture ...is used to promote a commercial product sold by an individual or agency the student-athlete (or the institution acting on behalf of the student-athlete) is required to take steps to stop such an activity in order to retain his or her eligibility for intercollegiate athletics."
If this bylaw were enforced strictly, schools should issue cease & desist letters to Nike/Adidas/Under Armor (remove your logos from game-day uniforms), and ESPN (cable/satellite TV channels are 'commercial products' are they not?)
If this bylaw were enforced strictly, schools should issue cease & desist letters to Nike/Adidas/Under Armor (remove your logos from game-day uniforms), and ESPN (cable/satellite TV channels are 'commercial products' are they not?)
No one is claiming kids are walking around in hand me downs. And if you figured out a way to live like a king then more power to you. And if the football team has figured out how to be fashionable while not skirting any NCAA rules then great. But these guys play football for The University of Alabama. Everything they do is going to be scrutinized severely and I am just wondering why no one seems to have ever thought of this before.
So... They should live so cautiously because they might get scrutinized? If a player can get a grant/loan, let him. He can use it whatever way he wants.
And BTW... Them figuring it out isn't a new practice. I'm not sure there is a school in the nation that has full-scholarship football players using grants and/or loans.
I made this point a while back, but let me repeat it since it involves the whole "poor black athletes in suits" meme:
Let's assume that a young **-Am player attends church occasionally while at school and always while at home with the family over holidays and breaks. Let's also assume that most African-American churches still dress up on Sundays. Is it then absurd to think that a young man already has one or two suits when he shows up on campus?
This is a non-story, and if we're in trouble, so is every college in America.
Let's assume that a young **-Am player attends church occasionally while at school and always while at home with the family over holidays and breaks. Let's also assume that most African-American churches still dress up on Sundays. Is it then absurd to think that a young man already has one or two suits when he shows up on campus?
This is a non-story, and if we're in trouble, so is every college in America.
I still want to know where AU players got these outfits?
I mean, if Julio isn't buying his suits, then surely, Cam Newton isn't paying for fairy outfits, right?
I mean, if Julio isn't buying his suits, then surely, Cam Newton isn't paying for fairy outfits, right?
I still want to know where AU players got these outfits?
I mean, if Julio isn't buying his suits, then surely, Cam Newton isn't paying for fairy outfits, right?
obviously a high end fairy costume, I hear he has two of them.
I know I'm digging, but I'm ....ed. Just for the heck of it, I googled "Cam Newton Suit" and I came up with images of him in roughly a dozen different suits, 4 of those I ruled out as being taken after he had declared for the draft, but 8 of them were previous to that.
That was a simple google search, not some in-depth investigation. I didn't watch every award ceremony or interview he'd ever done. I did a google search and found him in at least 8 different suits, so there's no telling how many he actually owns.
It's absurd that someone out there actually took the time to watch every pre-game walk-in and check to see how many suits Julio was wearing. That's how crazy this rivalry has gotten.
That was a simple google search, not some in-depth investigation. I didn't watch every award ceremony or interview he'd ever done. I did a google search and found him in at least 8 different suits, so there's no telling how many he actually owns.
It's absurd that someone out there actually took the time to watch every pre-game walk-in and check to see how many suits Julio was wearing. That's how crazy this rivalry has gotten.
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