Diddy is destroying what he built.

[TommyMac]

Geez, senility must be setting in on ol' Bobby if he can't see the shambles his program is in now. It's not all Jeff's fault either, their O-line is about as bad as ours, if not worse. They just look like a team without any spirit or oneness, like they're just going through the motions. Can't blame it on talent either if you put any credence in the recruiting gurus. They reel in some of the best classes in the country, year after year. In spite of our youth and lack of experience and depth, we played pretty much up to our potential this season, not so the Noles. Who could've ever guessed 3 years ago that we would be in better shape program-wise than both FSU and tutorsee?

 

[Ldlane]

Geez, senility must be setting in on ol' Bobby if he can't see the shambles his program is in now. It's not all Jeff's fault either, their O-line is about as bad as ours, if not worse. They just look like a team without any spirit or oneness, like they're just going through the motions. Can't blame it on talent either if you put any credence in the recruiting gurus. They reel in some of the best classes in the country, year after year. In spite of our youth and lack of experience and depth, we played pretty much up to our potential this season, not so the Noles. Who could've ever guessed 3 years ago that we would be in better shape program-wise than both FSU and tutorsee?

I don't know if our program is in better shape than FSU. However, I will say that we are catching up mighty fast.

Just think, they had a WEEK OFF before the game to prepare!

Here's an Idea....

Jeff Bowden should be available for OC!

 

[TiderMan]

Geez, senility must be setting in on ol' Bobby if he can't see the shambles his program is in now. It's not all Jeff's fault either, their O-line is about as bad as ours, if not worse. They just look like a team without any spirit or oneness, like they're just going through the motions. Can't blame it on talent either if you put any credence in the recruiting gurus. They reel in some of the best classes in the country, year after year. In spite of our youth and lack of experience and depth, we played pretty much up to our potential this season, not so the Noles. Who could've ever guessed 3 years ago that we would be in better shape program-wise than both FSU and tutorsee?

Everyone waa saying the same thing about JoPa at Penn State. It only takes one year to get things turned around. Just look at Bama, Notre Dame, & Penn St.

 

[Bamafanman]

Geez, senility must be setting in on ol' Bobby if he can't see the shambles his program is in now. It's not all Jeff's fault either, their O-line is about as bad as ours, if not worse. They just look like a team without any spirit or oneness, like they're just going through the motions. Can't blame it on talent either if you put any credence in the recruiting gurus. They reel in some of the best classes in the country, year after year. In spite of our youth and lack of experience and depth, we played pretty much up to our potential this season, not so the Noles. Who could've ever guessed 3 years ago that we would be in better shape program-wise than both FSU and tutorsee?

I'd love for our worst year in the past like 20 years to be 7-4.

 

[PDL]

I agree!

I think it's amazing how Bama, a team totally crippled with scholarship losses, has more wins than other teams with way more talent, like FSU, UThug, Michigan, Oklahoma and even the fighting Fraud's. That's why I love our coaching staff, no matter what some people may say on these boards, because I think they do a great job. I can't wait until we have players to go along with our coaching.

 

[RamaJamaDog]

This is a great quote, needs to be a thread

I think it's amazing how Bama, a team totally crippled with scholarship losses, has more wins than other teams with way more talent, like FSU, UThug, Michigan, Oklahoma and even the fighting Fraud's. That's why I love our coaching staff, no matter what some people may say on these boards, because I think they do a great job. I can't wait until we have players to go along with our coaching.

I think this quote makes a great point. Let's put this year in perspective and where Bama has come from. Roll Tide.

 

[Pluck and Grit]

Everyone waa saying the same thing about JoPa at Penn State. It only takes one year to get things turned around. Just look at Bama, Notre Dame, & Penn St.

From my perspective, our turnaround was three years in the making. Can't really speak for ND or PSU, don't follow them too closely. As far as I can tell, CMS and staff have been doing pretty much the same things from day one, but it can take a while for it to start paying dividends.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

Anything JoPa can do, Diddy can do

 

[TommyMac]

Everyone waa saying the same thing about JoPa at Penn State. It only takes one year to get things turned around. Just look at Bama, Notre Dame, & Penn St.

Those are not viable comparisons though. BAMA had a coaching carosel, as well as crippling schollie reductions. ND had some bad choices as HC's and PSU had grown stagnant on offense until JoPa had had enough and hired Galen Hall as his OC. Bobby's problems started when he replaced Mark Richt with his son as OC. They've been in steady decline ever since and Bobby's paternal instincts are going to keep them there because I don't think Jeff is gonna wake up one morning and suddenly be an offensive genius. Bobby seems to have the mindset that he's not the caretaker of the progrm, but the owner of it. His stubborness is undoing all his previous good work.

 

[TiderMan]

Are you a Seminole Fan?

Those are not viable comparisons though. BAMA had a coaching carosel, as well as crippling schollie reductions. ND had some bad choices as HC's and PSU had grown stagnant on offense until JoPa had had enough and hired Galen Hall as his OC. Bobby's problems started when he replaced Mark Richt with his son as OC. They've been in steady decline ever since and Bobby's paternal instincts are going to keep them there because I don't think Jeff is gonna wake up one morning and suddenly be an offensive genius. Bobby seems to have the mindset that he's not the caretaker of the progrm, but the owner of it. His stubborness is undoing all his previous good work.

Seems like you are very upset at Bobby, almost like a die-hard Seminole fan would be. I know from alot of your posts that you do not like Bobby, but just do not count him out too early. He still could win the ACC and be in a BCS bowl game if he beat Va. Tech on Saturday.

Also it is a viable comparison- ND, PSU, and Bama are three teams with great history and National Titles that have turned it around in a short time span. Every situation is different on how they got in a downward spiral but all have seemed to get it turned around. The telling mark will be if they can keep it turned around.

 

[TommyMac]

Seems like you are very upset at Bobby, almost like a die-hard Seminole fan would be. I know from alot of your posts that you do not like Bobby, but just do not count him out too early. He still could win the ACC and be in a BCS bowl game if he beat Va. Tech on Saturday.

Also it is a viable comparison- ND, PSU, and Bama are three teams with great history and National Titles that have turned it around in a short time span. Every situation is different on how they got in a downward spiral but all have seemed to get it turned around. The telling mark will be if they can keep it turned around.

Sorry pal, but your sense of perception needs a little work. I've been a BAMA fan for the better part of 6 decades, dating back to the days of Harry Gilmer.

Whether or not I like Bowden has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of my post. I outlined the different circumstances at PSU, ND and BAMA, but evidently you chose to ignore them. Bobby is allowing nepotism to harm the program that he professes to love. JoPa had the same situation at PSU, but he had the good sense to fire his son as OC, same with Granny Holtz, he fired his son as the OC at SC. Evidently Bobby is a slow learner or else he's too damn stubborn to admit he made a mistake.

 

[TiderMan]

Sorry pal, but your sense of perception needs a little work. I've been a BAMA fan for the better part of 6 decades, dating back to the days of Harry Gilmer.

Whether or not I like Bowden has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of my post. I outlined the different circumstances at PSU, ND and BAMA, but evidently you chose to ignore them. Bobby is allowing nepotism to harm the program that he professes to love. JoPa had the same situation at PSU, but he had the good sense to fire his son as OC, same with Granny Holtz, he fired his son as the OC at SC. Evidently Bobby is a slow learner or else he's too damn stubborn to admit he made a mistake.

Tommy Mac, I think you are missing my point here. National type programs such as ND, PSU, Bama, Fla. St. are not going to be down very long. They can rebound quickly from a down year. That is all I am saying. It does not matter whether it was because of probation, injuries, coaching changes, complacency, or whatever happens to programs, but national programs can and tend to usually bounce back and be at or near the top very quickly.

Also who is to say Bobby will not make changes at the end of the year, they still have two games to play before their season is over. Most thought JoePa was too loyal to alot of his assistants but he made changes. Bobby did not win all of those games by not adapting & changing with the times.

 

[TiderMan]

Will Tommy Mac give Diddy any respect now...

that he has won the ACC again. I guess the rumor of the demise of Bobby Bowden and the FSU program was just that... a rumor.

 

[C Earl]

I think it is more of a statement on the poor ACC than on any one program.

 

[twjua]

no surprise....Tommy Mac doesn't care for anything Florida

He alwasy likes shooting down Bobby. Proabably tired of reading about them in the Orlando Sentinel.
FSU loses 3 in row for the first time since 1983 and all the sudden the sky is falling. Funny thing, I think they just won the ACC for the 12 time in 14 years. The just jumped on the #5 team in the nation and headed to the BCS.

When you feel you haven't made a mistake, how are you expected to admit to one? Mabye he'll fire Jeff right after he hands him the 2005 ACC Champs ring.

His stubborness is undoing all his previous good work........?
One season where the loose 3 straight doesn't unravel 18 years of unbelievable success.

News Flash: Ole stubborn, hardheaded fool just beat #5 VT to win the ACC .....again.

Man, what a crappy season.
Take your pills and take a nap. Maybe when you wake up, Bobby will be gone and you won't have to ready about Bianchi's complaints anymore.

 

[Vegas4Bama]

Me Thinks Thread a Bit Presumptious!

Bobby is NOT dead yet!

FSU gave the VTech Hokies "more" than they could handle and put it to them!

I think the Seniors of FSU had just about enough of the press and people counting them out so soon.....

I hope Bama will also come to a group gathering and make it known that our Offensive line is NOT dead yet either!

See what grit and determination can do if you really want to win?

I would love to see FSU vs PSU in the Orange Bowl!

I am glad Bobby stuck up for his Offensive Coordinator, his son and told the rest of the naysers to buzz off!

Go 'Noles!

..........and oh yeah......RTR!!!

 

[TommyMac]

Sorry fellas, but 289 yards of total offense doesn't impress me as much as it obviously does y'all. 64 rushing yards and 8 punts are not figures that'll have DC's quaking in their sneakers. FSU's win was less a result of their own great play as it was the ineptness of VT. FSU's offensive explosion only resulted in 2 TDs and they were set up by VT turnovers. VT's 17 penalties also pretty well doomed them. Apparently our offensive problems have jaded your memories of what a good offense actually looks like.

FSU now has 4 offensive TD's in their 4 games. Hardly a compelling argument that Jeff Bowden is now a real OC or that FSU is "back."

 

[TideRollsInVa]

Sorry but I too, give more credit to VAT's play, or lack of, than I do FSU's play. I'm not surprised FSU won no more so than I am not surprised Beamer once again lost.

 

[JSBAMA]

I am still not overly impressed with Bowden's team either...they backed into the ACC Championship Game. When is the last time you have seen a SEC school look so bad against conference foes and still get the chance to play in the conference title game. Hmmmmm...I can't recall a SEC team backing into the SEC title game lately either...RTR