Diego Pavia Granted Preliminary Injunction Against the NCAA
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I will be the odd man out on this discussion. I like Pavia. Kid is a scrapper and came from nowhere. If there is an example of the American Dream, that is the guy in college football today. Good for him and keep on scrapping fella.
I resemble that remark. His number is just one less than my age!
Not a matter of whether you like or dislike him, it’s a matter of “rules mean nothing, I’ll just sue to get what I want.”
A couple of folks always mention a players' union.
How does that help the situation we're in? The balance of power is already ridiculously tipped toward the player. I could only imagine a union making that situation even worse.
How does that help the situation we're in? The balance of power is already ridiculously tipped toward the player. I could only imagine a union making that situation even worse.
I'm one of the ones who's been beating that drum for a couple of years now.
The primary reason is that a players' union negotiating with management (likely a committee of college presidents), ending in a Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), is the only structure I see that is both legally enforceable and uniform across all 50 states.
A side benefit is that enforcement of the contract is from the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB). Unlike the NCAA, the NLRB very definitely does have subpoena power. It also has virtually unlimited resources to devote to enforcement. You don't stonewall the feds. I've seen it tried in a different arena with my own eyes, and to say it didn't end well or pretty is a vast understatement.
I wish it were different. I don't like the federal government having authority over college sports. But I have yet to hear anyone come up with an alternative that will both (1) stand up in court, and (2) be uniformly enforceable across the whole country.
Depends if this setup disallows lawyers from being able to argue that a player's civil rights are being violated because limitations are being put on him.
I have been saying, and I think Saban himself has obliquely alluded to this, that if we don't cut the opportunist lawyers out, any changes we propose might as well be whistling Dixie.
It would. It's the same setup as any professional sports league -- the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL all have players unions negotiating a contract with management. In the case of the pro leagues, management is the owners. The analogue in college is college presidents.
As I said, I don't like it. But I haven't heard a better alternative.
Okay, you have won me over to your side. As long as there are assurances that whatever governing body or agreement happens wouldn't get picked apart and exploited by the vultures, I'm in.
Well, with those unions you had adults striking. Can you imagine the chaos when a bunch of 18-22 year olds stage a strike?
You still have eligibility that you can use thanks to this injunction!
Personally I am not in on the Union idea. Unions generally exist to perpetuate the Union, not to actually provide a good product. And yes, I am aware that other professional sports have players unions. Additionally, the idea that having a federal agency in the form of the NLRB to hold sway over college football- another agency that exists solely to empower unions- is not my idea of a good or flexible product. The NFL is one sport, MLB is one sport, NBA is one sport, etc. Collegiate athletics is like 20 different sports under one umbrella, almost none of which are profitable, including most football programs. A union isn’t going to solve this imo. What we are witnessing is the death of collegiate athletics across the board. The pro leagues may have to actually invest in farm teams.
I had a football coach friend say “it doesn’t change anything in terms of current eligibility limits”. My point was it opens the door for any of those in a similar situation to seek relief and use the injunction decision by this judge as precedent.
Rules. What rules? Money rules. This is all a big joke so more power to the little guy sticking it to the man.
The number of college presidents I can say without doubt have demonstrated a thorough understanding of how the business of college football works, and in harmony with the mission of a university, is exactly one - Dr. Robert Witt.
University presidents are still predominantly academics with little if any real-world experience, and I think are still most often ambivalent about the role of sports if not openly hostile toward it. If the path you suggest is the eventual one, professional union negotiators will run circles around them for the benefit of their members and their coffers unless the presidents hire equally skilled negotiators. Even then…
Orrrrrrr, I'm not gonna make it to the nfl, so let me play another year of college ball and make me another 500k nil. Beats working.
Also being reported the new ruling on JUCO'S, that they can play two years of juco and still have four years of eligibility at a four year school
This has absolutely nothing to do with anything. College football has become a joke.
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