No, the guard actually turns and looks back at the QB then taps the center. It's the darnedest thing I've ever seen and not be called for some sort of pre-snap illegal movement type thing. I think it might have started in the NFL many years ago? But, I've never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express so I don't know much and just guessing.
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No but the guard can turn and see the qb drop his knee which cues him to count a few seconds to slap center for snap
And defenses keep blitzing almost non stop. This has been going on since Young's second season as starter. They did it to Milroe, and now that they see Ty is actually a great quarterback, they're doing it to him. We didn't see this kind of blitzing with Tua or Mac.
It's frustrating because even if you blame the OL you'd like the coaching to include answers to this more often than we seem to
If you rewatch the game and pause when pressure is getting to Ty...so many are missed OL blocks, slow blocks, or unaccounted for rushers...he was under so much pressure...so when we got to 2nd or 3rd and long..it was a jailbreak to Ty....and try to find the hot route to get it out of his hands...most times the WRs are running away and not looking for the ball
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Yet with such a horrible O LIne here we are, best record in the league now headed to the SECCG to play for yet another conference championship.
If you are going to be any good running the ball you have to be strong in the IOL. You have to be able to Stonewall oncoming rushers. And we ain't strong on the IOL. Only the Center is fast enough to pull to get in space for outside runs.
Last year we had a broken QB and OL. This year we have a broken OL. Hopefully, we will see that fixed in the offseason.
Last year we had a broken QB and OL. This year we have a broken OL. Hopefully, we will see that fixed in the offseason.
I think we thought we'd be better than we are this year. Proctor and Formby had experience, we thought Roberts would play for an NFL contract. Dewberry looked like a mauler. Brailsford was a capable guy.
But our OTs are awful and can't control the edges, let alone handle speed. Roberts hasn't even shown up and has an injury apparently. Dewberry gets pushed around. Brailsford is limited. VDW had done his best and helped, but is also average. We've been starting a TF at right tackle lately. It is a mess.
Ty needs better options to get the ball out fast!
TY Definitely needs better quicker options to get rid of the ball. Closer to the slot or tight end , that wide receiver sweep has pick six written all over it.
our offensive staff isn't exactly known for running the ball and their prowess in blocking schemes. IMHO, they thought their UW scheme with lots of OL pulling etc would work in the SEC, and they are still learning that if you leave the backside DL unblocked, that SEC level DL are quick enough to get playside and mess things up. They're also big enough that undersized OL can't move them. Out west most of the DL are either big or fast (some exceptions of course), here you most often get both.
The real question... Will they bring in a new OL coach or consultants and fix it for next year... It isn't something they can't learn and revise, but will they? If they do, that marks them for being good coaches. If we roll the same stuff out and it doesn't work...
We need to run quick routes. Running 20 yards downfield before a receiver hits his break on third downs.
Proctor is playing about twice as good this year as he did last, but he doesn't have the initial quickness to deal with speed rush from the outside. I don't know what his NFL position is going to be. Feels like he should be a guard or right tackle but I don't know if he's ever played either. As a run blocker, though, he is very hard to handle. Very rarely when we fail to run effectively is it his fault.
The thing I worry about is you have Carroll on the other side who is far quicker and more athletic than Proctor, yet has the same issue getting control of a speed rusher. It's a footwork issue for both guys but then you have to ask whether it's part of the technique they're being taught, or whether they just don't have the quicks to pull it off. We'll know a lot more about Carroll next fall when he gets some more time under his belt.
Dewberry has been hot and cold all year, some games very good and others not. Formby has looked pretty good, actually, since moving to guard. Brailsford is hurt, plain and simple. Go back and pull his tapes from the earlier part of the year and he looked a lot better. Brooks Austin (The Film Guy in question here) thought he saw Brailsford with a rigid brace/cast on one ankle against Auburn. I don't know how he was even walking if that's the case. VanDeMark did a fantastic job to have as few snaps at center as we've given him. Austin said it on his podcast, and I agree with him, that VanDeMark was superior to Brailsford Saturday because of the injury. Unless Brailsford gets a lot better before Saturday, I would like to see more of VanDeMark against UGA.
Someone else mentioned Miller; he absolutely did a better job of seeing holes and layers against Auburn than he has at any point since the concussion he suffered against Missouri. The Miller that played against Auburn would have been good enough to beat UGA again with. Not sure that Hill is ready to take up all the blocking assignments. Big as he is, he sometimes gets trucked by smaller defenders. Dear will be the primary backup Saturday and Washington the next option; I doubt Richard Young plays at all at RB.
Injury to Brailsford, top two TEs out, true freshman playing RT, starting RB out, Simpson banged up, it's going to be a chore come Saturday. Some of what we need to fix long-term can be attributed to OL (and RB) coaching, but at this point in the season we are largely what we are. If you're expecting to fix any of it at this point, especially with different personnel, I don't think you can.
Do you really think you or I or the other laymen on this board really know more than these “multi million dollar coaches”? I can assure you we don’t. That doesn’t mean they know all or have maximized Alabama’s potential but they aren’t part of the college football ignorami.
IMO, as I’ve stated several times, Alabama fans are overstating the incompetence of their OL in pass protection. The following list showing the SEC sack rate will help illustrate this.
Keep in mind that this OL was in the final cut prior to the top 10 for the Joe Moore award. According to Jimmy Stein, they do extensive film study and statistical analysis. I assume by experts. (I remember many were really down on the 2015 OL who won the award. I do agree Henry probably made it look better than it was. But these JM award people are serious.)
Sack rate per pass attempt (The rates are based on numbers for the entire team. I added the names of the main passers for reference.)
(I guess because I’m on an IPhone, I couldn’t enable the tbl function. Sorry)
1.A&M—-3.16% Reed
2.OM——-3.81% Chambliss
3.UTn—--4.12% Aguilar
4.UGA——4.53% Stockton
5.Ala——-4.95% Simpson
6.Van——-4.99% Pavia
7.UF———5.08% Lagway
8.UTx——-5.61% Manning
9.LSU——-5.66% Nussmeier/Van Buren
10.OU—-—5.81% Mateer
11.Ark—-—7.07% Green
12.UK———-7.30% Boley
13.Miz———7.63% Pribula
14.MSU——-9.95% Shapen
15.AU———-10.40% Arnold/Daniels
16.USC———11.17% Sellers
This table doesn’t tell the whole story but it is significant relative to the OL. Of course the OL is usually blamed for RB protection failures. E.g., Of the 4 sacks given up in the OU game, 2 were on the RBs: one on Miller, one on Hill.
Alabama is in the top third of the SEC.
I will add, and of course this is just anecdotal, every college football fan base I encounter dislikes their OL, most despise theirs. There probably is one, but I can’t think of an exception.
In the AU game Alabama gave up 3 sacks and 6 hurries in 35 attempts. (That’s according to PFF, who I don’t have great confidence in but those are the only numbers I’m aware of. They are probably in the ballpark and somewhat match my intuition.) That’s a sack rate of 7.89, not as good as usual, but AU has a very good pass rush. 3 sacks about 1 sack above Alabama’s avg of 1.83 per game.
Ty contributes to the effectiveness of the OL in pass pro because he’s clever and elusive in the pocket. OTOH, he occasionally drifts back in the pocket and occasionally holds the ball too long. But the SEC is full of elusive QBs and full of QBs who hold on to the ball too long.
In summary, IMO, and according to the numbers, the OL is better than many here think - certainly relative to the SEC.
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