Politics: God, Guns, and Gullibility: The Dangers of White Christian Nationalism

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Your original post seemed to state that the men who wrote the New Testament were the ones who made women second class citizens by what they wrote in the New Testament. If that's not what you meant then my apologies. That's how I read it. So going from that, my point was if you think the New Testament made women second-class citizens I can only imagine what you think of the Old Testament where the same God the Father and the same God the Son (Jesus) existed.

Also, Jesus is as much in the Old Testament as in the NT. Jesus didn't come into existence when He took earthly form via the virgin birth and growing up into a man. Jesus sat at the right hand of God the Father and in the presence of God the Holy Spirit before creation and as they directed the Israelites throughout the Old Testament. This is disclosed in the New Testament.
The writers, church leaders, and religious scholars took the old Testament, current writings, and the existing Roman patriarchy society (women were very second class citizens in Rome) and over hundreds of years crafted a new religious book, eventually forming the Roman Catholic Church. They were making a new church, and COULD have made equity in leadership as a central tenant, but instead the new Church locked women out of all of the important leadership positions. Now our Protestant current churches have all evolved somewhat from that beginning, but they have not evolved enough to me from that male centered start as the SBC have clearly shown lately for example. Women are treated better in the writings in the NT, but they are not written about or treated close to equally in the text or churches still. The four gospels are all written from the viewpoint of men, and these texts were selected by men to be the four gospels for example.
 

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Your original post seemed to state that the men who wrote the New Testament were the ones who made women second class citizens by what they wrote in the New Testament. If that's not what you meant then my apologies. That's how I read it. So going from that, my point was if you think the New Testament made women second-class citizens I can only imagine what you think of the Old Testament where the same God the Father and the same God the Son (Jesus) existed.

Also, Jesus is as much in the Old Testament as in the NT. Jesus didn't come into existence when He took earthly form via the virgin birth and growing up into a man. Jesus sat at the right hand of God the Father and in the presence of God the Holy Spirit before creation and as they directed the Israelites throughout the Old Testament. This is disclosed in the New Testament.
It's less the men who wrote the New Testament as
1. The men who chose what documents would be included in the OT and NT, and
2. The men who subsequently translated those documents.
 

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God and Country

Another documentary on Christian Nationalism.
 
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I could not have said it better myself...That Jesus is a lot easier on folks than the Gospel Jesus. "Deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me..." has rarely been a positive for attracting new members, much less ardent followers. Good night...
 

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