Government Shutdown

[CrimsonNagus]

ABC's George Stephanopoulos lectures Speaker Mike Johnson by telling him “here are the facts,” claiming illegal aliens have not and will not benefit from government health care.

Once Johnson explains it, Stephanopoulos embarrassingly huffs “you’ve made your point there” and moves on

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1973409713950707858

He didn't "embarrassingly" do anything; he pushed idiot Mike Johson to move on because Johnson was spouting the same lies MAGA always spouts. Johnson/MAGA is lying about what the CBO said.

Stop taking these MAGA guys' words at face value because they are lying almost every time they open their mouths. The facts speak for themselves, and I'm talking about the real facts, not the "MAGA [fake] facts".

CBO report on ACA

A conversational AI system that listens, learns, and challenges

chatgpt.com

Here’s what I found from credible sources (incl. CBO and fact-checks) showing the actual language and context behind claims that “1.4 million illegal immigrants will be removed from Medicaid.” The evidence shows that those claims misstate what the CBO said.


Key passages and context
What CBO did say: “other coverage” in state-only programs

• In an analysis of a House reconciliation (budget) bill, the CBO estimated that by 2034, 1.4 million people who do not have verified citizenship or satisfactory immigration status would lose “other coverage” under current law — meaning health benefits in state-only funded programs. These are not federal Medicaid programs. FactCheck.org+2House Budget Committee+2
• A Georgetown/CCF fact-check underscores this distinction, noting that the 1.4 million “undocumented immigrants” figure comes from loss of state-funded health coverage, not federal Medicaid. Center For Children and Families
• The White House’s “Mythbuster” claimed that 1.4 million undocumented immigrants would be removed from Medicaid; that claim has been labeled “unequivocally false,” because comprehensive Medicaid coverage is not available to undocumented immigrants under current law. Center For Children and Families+1

CBO on Medicaid / Coverage loss more generally

• The CBO has estimated that under the Republican bill’s Medicaid/CHIP provisions, 10.3 million fewer people would have Medicaid or CHIP coverage by 2034 (relative to current law). FactCheck.org+1
• Of that, some would remain insured via other sources; others would become uninsured. The net increase in the uninsured due to those Medicaid changes is estimated at ~7.6 million. FactCheck.org+1
• More widely, the bill’s total effect (including marketplace/ACA provisions) is projected to lead to 10.9 million people losing health coverage by 2034, per CBO estimates. Center for American Progress+4Center For Children and Families+4Congressional Budget Office+4
• The CBO has also issued a separate report on Emergency Medicaid services for certain non-U.S. nationals (i.e. noncitizens) who qualify for emergency treatment even if not eligible for full Medicaid. Congressional Budget Office

What CBO did not say

• The CBO did not say that 1.4 million undocumented immigrants are currently receiving Medicaid benefits (in the sense of the standard federal Medicaid program) and would be expelled under this bill. FactCheck.org+1
• It did not assert that the “other coverage” loss would be via Medicaid. The 1.4 million figure refers to loss of state use of funds to provide coverage to people ineligible under federal law. Center For Children and Families+3FactCheck.org+3The Alliance for Rights and Recovery+3
• The CBO does not assume that states would necessarily drop those state-only programs, but projects that reductions in federal matching rates would likely push states to curtail or eliminate them. Center on Budget and Policy Priorities+2The Alliance for Rights and Recovery+2

CBO report on ACA

A conversational AI system that listens, learns, and challenges

chatgpt.com

Got it — here are the key direct CBO passages and language that are relevant, copied here so you can see exactly what was said:
1. CBO on “Other Coverage” for People Without Verified Citizenship
From the CBO cost estimate for the House reconciliation bill (2025):

“In 2034, CBO projects that 1.4 million people without verified citizenship or satisfactory immigration status would lose other coverage under current law.”

Here, “other coverage” refers to state-funded health coverage programs (not federal Medicaid).
2. CBO on Medicaid Enrollment Losses (Republican Bill)
Same report:

“By 2034, CBO estimates that 10.3 million fewer people would be enrolled in Medicaid or CHIP compared with current law.”

3. CBO on Overall Health Coverage Loss
Same report:

“Taking into account the effects on Medicaid, CHIP, and nongroup coverage, CBO estimates that the total number of people with health insurance would be 10.9 million lower in 2034 than under current law.”

4. CBO Clarification on Emergency Medicaid (separate report, 2023)
From CBO’s report on emergency services for certain non-U.S. nationals:

“Federal law prohibits federal Medicaid funds from being used to provide full Medicaid benefits to noncitizens who are not lawfully present. However, states are required to provide coverage for emergency medical services to such individuals if they would otherwise be eligible.”

Key takeaway from these quotes:

• The “1.4 million” number is about people losing state-funded programs, not Medicaid.
• CBO never said that undocumented immigrants are enrolled in Medicaid and would be “removed.”
• The CBO’s main point: Republican bills would shrink overall Medicaid/CHIP enrollment and reduce coverage broadly, while indirectly discouraging states from funding their own programs for unauthorized immigrants.

CBO report on ACA

A conversational AI system that listens, learns, and challenges

chatgpt.com

I searched for the CBO documents and found the following which include page references, titles, and relevant context. I did not find a CBO document that contains the exact quotes you asked about (i.e. “1.4 million would lose other coverage, etc.”) in a clean, standalone section under that phrasing. But I found closely related CBO publications and letters that provide the underlying estimates and rules. You can use these for citation or further digging.


Key CBO Sources & Documents
1. Estimated Budgetary Effects of H.R. 1, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (CBO)

• Title: Estimated Budgetary Effects of H.R. 1, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act Congressional Budget Office
• This is the main CBO cost estimate/score for the House version of the reconciliation bill (May 22, 2025) Congressional Budget Office
• From the cover page / executive summary, CBO estimates that enactment of H.R. 1 (as passed by the House) would increase the number of people without health insurance by 10.9 million in 2034. Congressional Budget Office+2Congressional Budget Office+2
• It also includes detailed tables showing projected changes in health spending, Medicaid, marketplace subsidies, etc.

2. Arrington Letter — Emergency Medicaid Services for Certain Non-U.S. Nationals

• Title: Emergency Medicaid Services for Certain Non-U.S. Nationals: Letter to the Honorable Jodey Arrington (October 2, 2024) Congressional Budget Office+1
• In that letter, CBO describes how federal law prohibits the use of full Medicaid funds to cover noncitizens not lawfully present, but states are required to provide emergency medical services when those individuals otherwise qualify under non-immigration criteria. Congressional Budget Office+1
• Example quote from that letter (page 1):
  

  “Federal law prohibits federal Medicaid funds from being used to provide full Medicaid benefits to noncitizens who are not lawfully present. However, states are required to provide coverage for emergency medical services to such individuals if they would otherwise be eligible.” Congressional Budget Office+1

3. FactCheck.org — Analysis/Fact Check

• Although not a CBO document, FactCheck.org’s piece “Assessing Medicaid Coverage Losses Under House Reconciliation” includes direct references to how proponents have mischaracterized CBO’s numbers. FactCheck.org
• In its discussion, FactCheck notes:
  

  “Johnson has also cited ‘more than 1.4 million illegal aliens on Medicaid.’ We’ve already written about that false claim. The CBO said those individuals would lose coverage from ‘state-only funded programs,’ not from Medicaid.” FactCheck.org

How to Use These for Your Purposes

• For citation, you can refer to “Estimated Budgetary Effects of H.R. 1, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act” (CBO, June 2025) as the main source for the “10.9 million uninsured in 2034” estimate.
• For the rules around noncitizens and Medicaid, use the Arrington Letter (CBO, Oct 2, 2024) as the authoritative source on how emergency Medicaid works for non-lawful presence individuals.
• For statements about the “1.4 million losing ‘other coverage’” and clarifications on misstatements, cite FactCheck.org’s analysis (which grounds those claims in the CBO’s numbers).

 

[Bamaro]

Trump Admin Tells Federal Employees To Set OOO Message Blaming Democrats For Shutdown

One health department employee said the directions seemed to be "coercing" subordinates into political activity.

www.huffpost.com

Trump Admin Tells Furloughed Workers To Set OOO Message Blaming Democrats For Shutdown
One health department employee said the directions seemed to be "coercing" subordinates into political activity.





This is a violation of the Hatch Act, but the law and ethics mean nothing to Republicans and those who defend their actions, so no one should be surprised.

 

[Bazza]

 

[75thru79]

Rep. Maxine Waters admits Dems forced government shutdown to get ‘health care for everybody’ — including illegal immigrants

Waters, 87, was questioned outside the US Capitol Tuesday about Democrats’ opposition to a stopgap funding bill in both chambers of Congress that would have kept the government’s lights on until No…

nypost.com

At least the Dems have one honest person in their ranks. I don't understand why the rest can't be honest.

 

[Bazza]

Good segment from last night. I would love to see a Fetterman appearance at some point!

 

[CrimsonJazz]

At least the Dems have one honest person in their ranks. I don't understand why the rest can't be honest.

See my comment after the tweet for the answer to this.

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[Bamabuzzard]

Rep. Maxine Waters admits Dems forced government shutdown to get ‘health care for everybody’ — including illegal immigrants

Waters, 87, was questioned outside the US Capitol Tuesday about Democrats’ opposition to a stopgap funding bill in both chambers of Congress that would have kept the government’s lights on until No…

nypost.com

At least the Dems have one honest person in their ranks. I don't understand why the rest can't be honest.

She refuses to say "Yes, including illegal immigrants". However, she also refuses to clarify herself by what she means by "healthcare for everybody". IMO, if she was as honest as she's wanting the reporters asking her questions to be, then she would easily clarify what she means by "healthcare for everybody". But for some reason she refuses. So in the name of common sense, what does the average Joe automatically think? This ain't brain surgery. It sounds like to me when she says "healthcare for everyobdy" she literally means everybody in this country, including illegals. Especially when given the opportunity to clarify herself, she refuses.

 

[75thru79]

Ignoring all the hoopla from both sides this is just a fight about money, period. Democrats want to spend and Republicans don’t.

Back during the pandemic, Democrats were worried that people would lose their Obamacare coverage because they were now unemployed (from pandemic effects). So, they passed as part of their BBB (or another maybe) expanded tax credits for those using Obamacare as their health insurance. However, the tax credit expansion was due to expire in November of 2025. The Republicans basically said “we aren’t waiting on November” and gutted the expanded credit with their own BBB a few months ago.

Now, the Democrats are using the shut down as leverage to get the tax credits restored AND extended for several more years.

Everything else you are hearing is nothing more than propaganda.

 

[some_al_fan]

Ignoring all the hoopla from both sides this is just a fight about money, period. Democrats want to spend and Republicans don’t.

Back during the pandemic, Democrats were worried that people would lose their Obamacare coverage because they were now unemployed (from pandemic effects). So, they passed as part of their BBB (or another maybe) expanded tax credits for those using Obamacare as their health insurance. However, the tax credit expansion was due to expire in November of 2025. The Republicans basically said “we aren’t waiting on November” and gutted the expanded credit with their own BBB a few months ago.

Now, the Democrats are using the shut down as leverage to get the tax credits restored AND extended for several more years.

Everything else you are hearing is nothing more than propaganda.

Republicans don't want to spend?
How about $20 billion bailout to Argentina?
How about $10 billion to bailout farmers?
How about $500 million to refurbish Trump's plane that he got from Quatar?
....
I can continue this list for a long time about "Republicans don't want to spend"

Both parties want to spend, but they want to spend according to their priorities

 

[75thru79]

Republicans don't want to spend?
Hmmm... Have you checked the news lately?
How about $20 billion bailout to Argentina?
How about $10 billion to bailout farmers?
How about $500 million to refurbish Trump's plane that he got from Quatar?
....
I can continue this list for a long time about "Republicans don't want to spend"

We're talking healthcare and more specifically government funded healthcare. I'm sorry, I thought that was obvious.

 

[some_al_fan]

We're talking healthcare and more specifically government funded healthcare. I'm sorry, I thought that was obvious.

You can't take a single item out of the entire spending and build your logic around it.
Democrats want to spend on healthcare. Republicans want to spend on bailing out Argentina and bailing out farmers.
That is why we need the parties to compromise and that is something that Trump is not willing to do

 

[75thru79]

You can't take a single item out of the entire spending and build your logic around it.

Sure I can. This thread is about the government shutdown and what is causing it. The Dems aren't shutting down the government because of the Argentina bailout nor are the Republicans. I'm not saying the Argentina bailout isn't worthy of discussion, it surely is but it's got zip to do with the shutdown.

 

[some_al_fan]

Sure I can. This thread is about the government shutdown and what is causing it. The Dems aren't shutting down the government because of the Argentina bailout nor are the Republicans. I'm not saying the Argentina bailout isn't worthy of discussion, it surely is but it's got zip to do with the shutdown.

Dems are shutting down the government because Trump wants to spend the money on his priorities and doesn't want to spend on the other priorities.
Trump is making the argument that we don't have the money to spend on healthcare, while spending 20 billion to bailout Argentina

 

[75thru79]

Dems are shutting down the government because Trump wants to spend the money on his priorities and doesn't want to spend on the other priorities.
Trump is making the argument that we don't have the money to spend on healthcare, while spending 20 billion to bailout Argentina

 

[jthomas666]

Here's what the Democrats NEED to be saying:

Republicans fight to preserve tax cuts for the rich.
Democrats are fighting to preserve healthcare funding for all.

But yeah, they're terrible at messaging, while the GOP is excellent at lying.

 

[Bamaro]

Ignoring all the hoopla from both sides this is just a fight about money, period. Democrats want to spend and Republicans don’t.

Back during the pandemic, Democrats were worried that people would lose their Obamacare coverage because they were now unemployed (from pandemic effects). So, they passed as part of their BBB (or another maybe) expanded tax credits for those using Obamacare as their health insurance. However, the tax credit expansion was due to expire in November of 2025. The Republicans basically said “we aren’t waiting on November” and gutted the expanded credit with their own BBB a few months ago.

Now, the Democrats are using the shut down as leverage to get the tax credits restored AND extended for several more years.

Everything else you are hearing is nothing more than propaganda.

Its about the Dems not wanting to have Obamacare chipped away at.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

 

[dayhiker]

 

[Huckleberry]

Ignoring all the hoopla from both sides this is just a fight about money, period. Democrats want to spend and Republicans don’t.

Back during the pandemic, Democrats were worried that people would lose their Obamacare coverage because they were now unemployed (from pandemic effects). So, they passed as part of their BBB (or another maybe) expanded tax credits for those using Obamacare as their health insurance. However, the tax credit expansion was due to expire in November of 2025. The Republicans basically said “we aren’t waiting on November” and gutted the expanded credit with their own BBB a few months ago.

Now, the Democrats are using the shut down as leverage to get the tax credits restored AND extended for several more years.

Everything else you are hearing is nothing more than propaganda.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/03/politics/obamacare-center-government-shutdown-fight?cid=ios_app

Obamacare is back as the fulcrum of a national political showdown





Regardless of the history of the subsidies, the fact remains that without them, insurance premiums will spike an average of 75%, forcing many to lose their coverage. 24 million people (not one of them an illegal immigrant) use Obamacare.

This is almost one of those famous 80/20 issues that some love to bring up. 71% of Americans want the subsidies extended, including 80% of independents. Even 38% of Republicans are human and caring enough to be in favor of the extensions.

The real propaganda here is from Trump and the Republicans as they continue to lie using the illegal immigrant boogeyman that’s so effective with their ignorant and bigoted base.

 

[CrimsonJazz]