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The law was apparently changed a few years ago to make it certain furloughed government employees would get back pay. Even without it, back pay was nearly always provided. I also just found out I will be getting two bonuses (totaling five-figures + in pay) when leviathan is back online. Turns out, there's always more money laying around, and it has to be spent. So, bonuses it is! Big government is awesome; we should have more of it!
 
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What the hell happened to CNN?

Takeaways from Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s CNN town hall on the government shutdown | CNN Politics

As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez accused Republicans of refusing to work to end the government shutdown and referred to House Speaker Mike Johnson as focusing on “inane and silly” things, the White House’s rapid response account was calling her and fellow progressive Bernie Sanders “not serious people.”

The 90-minute town hall with CNN’s Kaitlan Collins illustrated how far apart how Democrats and Republicans are from resolving their differences.

Sanders, the independent Vermont senator, and Ocasio-Cortez, the Democratic congresswoman from New York, warned Wednesday night that the nation’s health care system could collapse if Republicans don’t agree to their demands in a deal to end the federal government shutdown.

Both lawmakers are among the most progressive members of Congress. But Democrats have broadly united behind the shutdown strategy they support — insisting they won’t vote to fund the government until majority Republicans agree to extend subsidies for health insurance plans sold on the Affordable Care Act’s marketplace that are set to expire at the end of this year.

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Look, I have no dog in the fight, and I haven't changed my mind that in the end this won't be a factor in next fall's elections (if we have them).

But CNN in this piece is literally blaming the Democrats for the shutdown.
Color me stunned.
 
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CNN sees what's happening at CBS and they have figured out they don't want this for themselves....yet. If CBS restores their reputation as a credible news source, ratings will bear this out and a lot of outlets will be playing "follow the leader."
 

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I will never trust CBS again since they decided to bend the knee to the Führer.
The funny thing to me is that that was the breaking point for people when CBS tried to rig the outcome of a Presidential election over 20 years ago with OBVIOUSLY manufactured documents. Or when "60 Minutes" ran a story on Benghazi without bothering to check the source. And that was almost 30 years after they nearly destroyed Audi with a "too good to verify our facts" story in 1986.

CBS sucked for decades as an objective news source. But any of us who pointed out the FACTS in those cases were always dismissed as right-wing ideologues who hate the press. I don't hate the press - we NEED a free press for a free society. But that doesn't mean the referee gets to play for one of the teams, either. It always makes me chuckle how many people can see the obvious tabloid nonsense at Fox and criticize it but can't see it when it's in the other direction.

And FTR, I don't think they should have settled with Emperor Don Dorito, either, but they apparently had something to fear from discovery.
 

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The funny thing to me is that that was the breaking point for people when CBS tried to rig the outcome of a Presidential election over 20 years ago with OBVIOUSLY manufactured documents. Or when "60 Minutes" ran a story on Benghazi without bothering to check the source. And that was almost 30 years after they nearly destroyed Audi with a "too good to verify our facts" story in 1986.

CBS sucked for decades as an objective news source. But any of us who pointed out the FACTS in those cases were always dismissed as right-wing ideologues who hate the press. I don't hate the press - we NEED a free press for a free society. But that doesn't mean the referee gets to play for one of the teams, either. It always makes me chuckle how many people can see the obvious tabloid nonsense at Fox and criticize it but can't see it when it's in the other direction.

And FTR, I don't think they should have settled with Emperor Don Dorito, either, but they apparently had something to fear from discovery.
It's quite obvious that Fox news panders to a specific audience. The issue has been for years there were certain stories and/or facts that the mainstream media refused to cover because they didn't fit the progressive narrative. The only place you could get this information was Fox. Unfortunately, you had to listen to them drivel on about something stupid in order to get to the real story.

I am a little bit enthused that it appears MSM is now "appearing" to be more balanced. They're not lobbing softballs at Dems during interviews and holding them, at least somewhat, accountable like they did to Republicans 24x7. This is a good thing. As an American you should be happy about this.
 
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It's quite obvious that Fox news panders to a specific audience. The issue has been for years there were certain stories and/or facts that the mainstream media refused to cover because they didn't fit the progressive narrative. The only place you could get this information was Fox. Unfortunately, you had to listen to them drivel on about something stupid in order to get to the real story.

I am a little bit enthused that it appears MSM is now "appearing" to be more balanced. They're not lobbing softballs at Dems during interviews and holding them, at least somewhat, accountable like they did to Republicans 24x7. This is a good thing. As an American you should be happy about this.
Are you trying to say that FOX News is not MSM? Please review the definition of MSM, FOX News' audience size, and revenue.
 

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It's quite obvious that Fox news panders to a specific audience. The issue has been for years there were certain stories and/or facts that the mainstream media refused to cover because they didn't fit the progressive narrative. The only place you could get this information was Fox. Unfortunately, you had to listen to them drivel on about something stupid in order to get to the real story.

I am a little bit enthused that it appears MSM is now "appearing" to be more balanced. They're not lobbing softballs at Dems during interviews and holding them, at least somewhat, accountable like they did to Republicans 24x7. This is a good thing. As an American you should be happy about this.
What kind of stories/facts were the rest of the media refusing to cover? I was much more conservative back in the 80s and don’t recall feeling deprived or misrepresented by the networks or CNN. Was coverage biased? Maybe, but it’s not like it was pure liberal propaganda.
 

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Are you trying to say that FOX News is not MSM? Please review the definition of MSM, FOX News' audience size, and revenue.
Really, you want to argue about the definition of MSM? Who the heck cares. It doesn't change anything about my argument. Let me take this opportunity to apologize and say I meant ABC, CBS and NBC when I said MSM.
 

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Really, you want to argue about the definition of MSM? Who the heck cares. It doesn't change anything about my argument. Let me take this opportunity to apologize and say I meant ABC, CBS and NBC when I said MSM.
Not sure whether you’ve intended that in your post or not, but I find it ironic when people try to say that they don’t watch MSM, and they watch Fox News instead, the media network with the largest number of viewers. That is just the definition of MSM.
Fox News has become MSM, but is somehow still managing to convince people that it is not.
 
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Not sure whether you’ve intended that in your post or not, but I find it ironic when people try to say that they don’t watch MSM, and they watch Fox News instead, the media network with the largest number of viewers. That is just the definition of MSM.
Fox News has become MSM, but is somehow still managing to convince people that it is not.
That's weird, I've never considered FOX as anything but mainstream and I've never met anyone who doesn't. I think there is a bit of a line between CBS, NBC and ABC and the cable outlets (primarily CNN, MSDNC and FOX) because one is "free" and the other is only available via paid cable. Personally, I think they're all full of crap, but there is a subset of gullible Americans who fancy the networks as more reliable than the cable "news." I couldn't disagree with them more.
 

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The funny thing to me is that that was the breaking point for people when CBS tried to rig the outcome of a Presidential election over 20 years ago with OBVIOUSLY manufactured documents. Or when "60 Minutes" ran a story on Benghazi without bothering to check the source. And that was almost 30 years after they nearly destroyed Audi with a "too good to verify our facts" story in 1986.

CBS sucked for decades as an objective news source. But any of us who pointed out the FACTS in those cases were always dismissed as right-wing ideologues who hate the press. I don't hate the press - we NEED a free press for a free society. But that doesn't mean the referee gets to play for one of the teams, either. It always makes me chuckle how many people can see the obvious tabloid nonsense at Fox and criticize it but can't see it when it's in the other direction.

And FTR, I don't think they should have settled with Emperor Don Dorito, either, but they apparently had something to fear from discovery.
You would probably know about this. Back in the 1990s, I think it was either 60 Minutes or NBC's Dateline that ran a story about GM trucks bursting into flames on impact. Except they didn't. What to do when reality won't conform to hatchet journalism? Rig the trucks to explode and do the tests again so you can run with the "big business is bad" theme. GM sued CBS/NBC and collected a big pile of cash. CBS/NBC fired several producers and lost their credibility. If the media will blatantly manufacture this garbage against a pickup truck, to what extent will they go to favor a POV that involves much more juvenile emotions like politics?
 
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That's weird, I've never considered FOX as anything but mainstream and I've never met anyone who doesn't. I think there is a bit of a line between CBS, NBC and ABC and the cable outlets (primarily CNN, MSDNC and FOX) because one is "free" and the other is only available via paid cable. Personally, I think they're all full of crap, but there is a subset of gullible Americans who fancy the networks as more reliable than the cable "news." I couldn't disagree with them more.
It is not weird, it is data :)

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You would probably know about this. Back in the 1990s, I think it was either 60 Minutes or NBC's Dateline that ran a story about GM trucks bursting into flames on impact. Except they didn't. What to do when reality won't conform to hatchet journalism? Rig the trucks to explode and do the tests again so you can run with the "big business is bad" theme. GM sued CBS/NBC and collected a big pile of cash. CBS/NBC fired several producers and lost their credibility. If the media will blatantly manufacture this garbage against a pickup truck, to what extent will they go to favor a POV that involves much more juvenile emotions like politics?
February 9, 1993


NBC News announced last night that it had settled a defamation lawsuit brought by General Motors Corp. over the network’s “demonstration” of a fiery pickup truck crash on its “Dateline NBC” program.

“We acknowledge and take responsibility for the problems GM has identified in the demonstration crash,” said Stone Phillips, the program’s co-anchor.
 
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You would probably know about this. Back in the 1990s, I think it was either 60 Minutes or NBC's Dateline that ran a story about GM trucks bursting into flames on impact. Except they didn't. What to do when reality won't conform to hatchet journalism? Rig the trucks to explode and do the tests again so you can run with the "big business is bad" theme. GM sued CBS/NBC and collected a big pile of cash. CBS/NBC fired several producers and lost their credibility. If the media will blatantly manufacture this garbage against a pickup truck, to what extent will they go to favor a POV that involves much more juvenile emotions like politics?
FOX News fabricated the story about Dominion voting machines. Got sued, paid nearly $800 mln, yet it is still considered the “best news source” by its audience.

 
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The funny thing to me is that that was the breaking point for people when CBS tried to rig the outcome of a Presidential election over 20 years ago with OBVIOUSLY manufactured documents. Or when "60 Minutes" ran a story on Benghazi without bothering to check the source. And that was almost 30 years after they nearly destroyed Audi with a "too good to verify our facts" story in 1986.

CBS sucked for decades as an objective news source. But any of us who pointed out the FACTS in those cases were always dismissed as right-wing ideologues who hate the press. I don't hate the press - we NEED a free press for a free society. But that doesn't mean the referee gets to play for one of the teams, either. It always makes me chuckle how many people can see the obvious tabloid nonsense at Fox and criticize it but can't see it when it's in the other direction.

And FTR, I don't think they should have settled with Emperor Don Dorito, either, but they apparently had something to fear from discovery.
CBS wasn't behind that. Sloppy reporting by Dan Rather was. CBS did the right thing once it was exposed and proven.
 

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What kind of stories/facts were the rest of the media refusing to cover? I was much more conservative back in the 80s and don’t recall feeling deprived or misrepresented by the networks or CNN. Was coverage biased? Maybe, but it’s not like it was pure liberal propaganda.
Don't you remember how Fox News was the only one brave enough to cover all the conspiracy theories about COVID as if they were true? Pandered to Trump and reported his nonsense as if it was fact. Supported Trump in his attempt to overturn an election by giving all the fake evidence credibility. Continues to blame Jan 6 on everyone but Trump and his worshipers.

None of the other networks are that brave.
 
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