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Tide1986 said:
What word did I use?

If I ask for something and you won't give it to me and if I then reduce what I'm asking for as a result, my original request must not have been a demand.
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I walk into a bank with a gun and tell them to give me $1,000,000, and they refuse. Then I ask for $200,000 instead, is that an alternative or demand? :PDT_popc1:
 
I'll be heading home shortly - my office is working four hours today. I'll come back to work ..... eh, whenever. I think I'll spend my extra time doing ...... eh, whatever.

Edit: Of course, our support contractors will still be here because they have funded contracts. They just won't have any supervision. So, they'll get paid for doing nothing.
 
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2003TIDE said:
I walk into a bank with a gun and tell them to give me $1,000,000, and they refuse. Then I ask for $200,000 instead, is that an alternative or demand? :PDT_popc1:
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I can't help you if you're going to be deliberately obtuse. Nevertheless, something is not much of a demand (according to your sense of the definition) if what is being requested is within the power of the giver to give the requester.
 
Tide1986 said:
I can't help you if you're going to be deliberately obtuse. Nevertheless, something is not much of a demand (according to your sense of the definition) if what is being requested is within the power of the giver to give the requester.
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I'm not saying either side is right or wrong, but Republican logic that they are negotiating when they demand that funding for the Affordable Healthcare Act is removed in any budget proposal make me LOL.
 
2003TIDE said:
I'm not saying either side is right or wrong, but Republican logic that they are negotiating when they demand that funding for the Affordable Healthcare Act is removed in any budget proposal make me LOL.
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I think you'll find that defunding was not part of all the proposals made by the House. Negotiations involve alternatives, and the House presented budgetary alternatives, all of which the Senate voted down. Senate Democrats and the President are clearly the ones being obstinate by being unwilling to compromise in any way.
 
I have a question about Obamacare. I already have insurance through BCBS. Is there anything I have to do or fill out to satisfy the government or since I'm already insured, I'm good to go?
 
bama_wayne1 said:
So here we go. Can any of you explain to me why a government that can't pay it's bills would have non-essential services? If I can't meet my budget non-essential services would be out before this point. Oh, by the way, how do we get by without having a budget for years?
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As I understand it, the whole "no budget" thing is against the law. Yet this administration seems to be able to just thumb it's nose at it and carry on.
 
BamaFlum said:
Or suggest to wait a year for implementation.
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Then what? All they are doing is stalling while hoping they get more seats next election. That's pretty transparent. They really don't care about fixing any of the "issues" they are pointing out.
 
IMHO the issue here is about how congress votes on various bills. One of the cardinal rules in marriage is that you should always fight ONLY about what you are really fighting about. Keep the past hurts and the old grudges out of it and decide what THIS argument is about and stick to that subject. I think it should be policy in congress to vote on what you are voting on. Don't allow riders having nothing to do with the substance of the bill to be attached.
 
We_are_Bama said:
All of this over Obamacare? :eek2:
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That's a negative, Rampart, although that is how it is being played.

All this is over the fact that we can't get the Senate to forward a budget as required by law. Instead, we just want to live on credit and pitch a fit every time we run into our credit limit. If you think that's a jab at the Democraptic Party, you are partially correct. I also remain unimpressed with Blubbering Boehner's Bunch and their constant attempts to capitulate faster than a French army.

Personally, I think we should build a fence around Washington and turn the hogs loose in it.

Come to think of it, we only need the fence. The hogs are already loose.
 
Tide1986 said:
I think you'll find that defunding was not part of all the proposals made by the House. Negotiations involve alternatives, and the House presented budgetary alternatives, all of which the Senate voted down. Senate Democrats and the President are clearly the ones being obstinate by being unwilling to compromise in any way.
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I think this is a bit disingenuous. The time for asking/negotiating for things was when the budget was passed originally. This is a measure to determine if we are going to pay what we already passed into law as things we would pay.

The only other people who get to renegotiate this way are professional athletes. "Hey GM I had an awesome year. Give me money or I won't do what I already contractually agreed to do next year." If a businessman had worked out a contractual agreement with some trucking company, and that trucking company threatened to run their trucks through the front of that guys business unless he gave them a pony, that would be extortion and any number of other offenses I can't think of right now. Every single person who is saying Obama/Democrats won't negotiate would scream bloody murder for that trucking company to be put in jail because of the poor business person. How is this different? You don't get to negotiate for things mid contract especially when there is majority shareholder(citizen) support for the measures. They (the american people) rejected Romney, they didn't give the republican a majority in the senate. Obamacare was passed into law, portions were upheld by the supreme court, and people are still trying to get rid of it no matter the damage they may or not may do to the economy.

How is this the fault of Obama and Democrats not negotiating again?
 
bamachile said:
That's a negative, Rampart, although that is how it is being played.

All this is over the fact that we can't get the Senate to forward a budget as required by law. Instead, we just want to live on credit and pitch a fit every time we run into our credit limit. If you think that's a jab at the Democraptic Party, you are partially correct. I also remain unimpressed with Blubbering Boehner's Bunch and their constant attempts to capitulate faster than a French army.

Personally, I think we should build a fence around Washington and turn the hogs loose in it.

Come to think of it, we only need the fence. The hogs are already loose.
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Might want to revisit your facts a bit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/u...3-7-trillion-budget-its-first-in-4-years.html

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After an all-night debate that ended just before 5 a.m., the Senate on Saturday adopted its first budget in four years, a $3.7 trillion blueprint for 2014 that would provide a fast track for passage of tax increases, trim spending modestly and leave the government still deeply in the red a decade from now.
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