Gubment Shutdown

[Tide1986]

Shutdown overreach: More personnel sent to WWII memorial than Benghazi; Park Service closes park it doesn't run



Incredible.

Nice dig:

I deeply apologize that we have to disappoint you today by being closed but know that we are working while the National Park Service is not — as usual.

 

[Tidewater]

Yeah, we see this a lot in the Senate. The Administration is trying to make it painful.

Closing the WW II Memorial was like draping a curtain over Mount Rushmore: completely unnecessary, and only designed the inconvenience and anger the citizenry. On the other hand, here is an Obama Adminidstration policy I can support:

Come to think of it, given the Administration's "Make It Painful" approach, maybe the NPS will spend money it doesn't have to bulldoze the Lincoln Memorial because of the government shutdown. I'll even help if they want.

 

[bamacon]

I think that's wishful thinking on your part. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/government-shutdown-poll_n_4016014.html

Oh no! A negative poll about reps from the huffPo. Shocking!!!!

People opposing this want to see fight. They want someone, anyone to say, "ENOUGH! We are going to fight!" If this tin horn dictator had been opposed by a fighter he would have lost. I just simply do not trust the media to give me the facts.

 

[bamacon]

Shutdown overreach: More personnel sent to WWII memorial than Benghazi; Park Service closes park it doesn't run



Incredible.

Truly unbelievable. That's our damn property and it's about high time they are made to know it!!!

 

[crimsonaudio]

Oh no! A negative poll about reps from the huffPo. Shocking!!!!

If you read the article, it was actually a CNN poll, but I suppose they're part of the vast, left-wing conspiracy, too?

 

[bamacon]

If you read the article, it was actually a CNN poll, but I suppose they're part of the vast, left-wing conspiracy, too?

Nah. CNN calls it straight down the middle. No leanings at all. Honestly, I am skeptical of all of them. I wish news organizations were just that but sadly it's not.

 

[ValuJet]

94% of EPA employees have been sent home.

Is there a way to make that permanent?

 

[Tide1986]

94% of EPA employees have been sent home.

Is there a way to make that permanent?

If so, you can then flatulate with impunity.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Nah. CNN calls it straight down the middle. No leanings at all. Honestly, I am skeptical of all of them. I wish news organizations were just that but sadly it's not.

Does this mean polls have no meaning to you, then? Or just the ones that you do yourself?

The reality is most everyone I know is ticked at congress right now regarding this and few people (outside of the far right wingers) blame anyone but the repubs for the shutdown. If you think the small, hard right voting base is going to stop what's likely coming in the midterm elections, I'd suggest you're probably in for a surprise.

I was a republican for a LONG time, the repub party today doesn't begin to represent the values they claim to, and unless there is a massive change in their approach, they won't receive a vote from me again. And there's a large segment of former repubs that feel the same way I do.

 

[Bama Reb]

Does this mean polls have no meaning to you, then? Or just the ones that you do yourself?

The reality is most everyone I know is ticked at congress right now regarding this and few people (outside of the far right wingers) blame anyone but the repubs for the shutdown. If you think the small, hard right voting base is going to stop what's likely coming in the midterm elections, I'd suggest you're probably in for a surprise.

I was a republican for a LONG time, the repub party today doesn't begin to represent the values they claim to, and unless there is a massive change in their approach, they won't receive a vote from me again. And there's a large segment of former repubs that feel the same way I do.

If you want to ask for a show of hands, go ahead.

 

[chanson78]

Does this mean polls have no meaning to you, then? Or just the ones that you do yourself?

The reality is most everyone I know is ticked at congress right now regarding this and few people (outside of the far right wingers) blame anyone but the repubs for the shutdown. If you think the small, hard right voting base is going to stop what's likely coming in the midterm elections, I'd suggest you're probably in for a surprise.

I was a republican for a LONG time, the repub party today doesn't begin to represent the values they claim to, and unless there is a massive change in their approach, they won't receive a vote from me again. And there's a large segment of former repubs that feel the same way I do.

What is sad, is that while people may be getting tired of these tactics, it isn't going to matter one bit. The real fight was won 6 years ago in the state legislatures. They have gerrymandered the districts to the point that the people who get elected are ideologically extreme because there is no need to be moderate. When you can guarantee that a Republican or Democrat will get elected in a given district, barring any really crazy talk (think that Akin guy), it comes down to the primary and who can raise the most money/looks the best on tv/gives the best soundbite.

There is an explicit movement to get business interests forwarded above all others through groups funded by the Koch bros. and organizations like the Heritage foundation to roll back as much regulation/taxes/benefits for anyone not rich as possible. These groups are the ones picking the winners and losers in these gerrymandered districts. We are stuck with the status quo for the foreseeable future, because the sane Republicans are beholden to the dollars from those organizations and or their constituents who are not too apathetic to get out to vote. These constituents who will vote are the ones who are likely a minority in the district but are willing to get motivated and get out and vote.

 

[G-VilleTider]

BamainBoston seems like you would be the best informed about this question. I heard or read yesterday, not sure where, that the Repubs had gone so far as to say OK we will fully fund the government, including Obamacare, as long as it applies to everyone the same. No exemptions. If this is true, why aren't all the Repubs coming out and saying look we don't like Obamacare, but it is currently the law, so we are going to fund the government as long as it applies to everyone without all the political waivers?

 

[bamacon]

BamainBoston seems like you would be the best informed about this question. I heard or read yesterday, not sure where, that the Repubs had gone so far as to say OK we will fully fund the government, including Obamacare, as long as it applies to everyone the same. No exemptions. If this is true, why aren't all the Repubs coming out and saying look we don't like Obamacare, but it is currently the law, so we are going to fund the government as long as it applies to everyone without all the political waivers?

They have and Obama said no. He thinks like a dictator and in many ways acts like one. For someone who talks so much about the need to compromise he surely never does it himself.

 

[Tide1986]

Does this mean polls have no meaning to you, then? Or just the ones that you do yourself?

The reality is most everyone I know is ticked at congress right now regarding this and few people (outside of the far right wingers) blame anyone but the repubs for the shutdown. If you think the small, hard right voting base is going to stop what's likely coming in the midterm elections, I'd suggest you're probably in for a surprise.

I was a republican for a LONG time, the repub party today doesn't begin to represent the values they claim to, and unless there is a massive change in their approach, they won't receive a vote from me again. And there's a large segment of former repubs that feel the same way I do.

What specifically are they ticked about?

 

[bamacon]

Does this mean polls have no meaning to you, then? Or just the ones that you do yourself?

The reality is most everyone I know is ticked at congress right now regarding this and few people (outside of the far right wingers) blame anyone but the repubs for the shutdown. If you think the small, hard right voting base is going to stop what's likely coming in the midterm elections, I'd suggest you're probably in for a surprise.

I was a republican for a LONG time, the repub party today doesn't begin to represent the values they claim to, and unless there is a massive change in their approach, they won't receive a vote from me again. And there's a large segment of former repubs that feel the same way I do.

Nothing in politics surprises me anymore. As far as the elections in 2014 we'll see.

That said, if you believe in the rule of law you would not accept Obamacare. It is illegal and should not be accepted as the "law of the land."

 

[crimsonaudio]

What specifically are they ticked about?

The way the repubs (primarily the Tea Party) has put a stranglehold on the government. The way that they ran preaching 'job, jobs, jobs' yet have done NOTHING about jobs, instead focusing on overturning Obamacare over and over again.

Their single-minded approach to dismantling Obamacare will be their undoing. Almost every life-long republican I know has said they will either vote D or stay home next year. Granted, that's a small data point vs the US population but I live in a primarily republican area...

That said, if you believe in the rule of law you would not accept Obamacare. It is illegal and should not be accepted as the "law of the land."

I don't care for Obamacare one bit - I believe it flies in the face of what this country is supposed to be about (limited federal government), but just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's 'illegal'.

I'm almost scared to ask but, care to explain how a bill voted through congress, signed by the president and given the stamp of approval by the SCOTUS isn't the law?

 

[Bamaro]

What specifically are they ticked about?

They dont like the other guys congressman but think theirs is fine.

 

[BamaPokerplayer]

I agree with the Tea Party on this one, it actually is giving me hope.

 

[bamacon]

I don't care for Obamacare one bit - I believe it flies in the face of what this country is supposed to be about (limited federal government), but just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's 'illegal'.

I'm almost scared to ask but, care to explain how a bill voted through congress, signed by the president and given the stamp of approval by the SCOTUS isn't the law?

One it was voted as a budget bill so they could avoid the filibuster in the Senate. Illegal.

Then in the Supreme Court case CJ Roberts literally rewrote the law so he could call it a tax. Illegal. The Justice Dept. even argued that it wasn't a tax.

Since then the President has changed the law 7 different times by himself. This too is illegal because the Congress has to vote for these changes because it suddenly becomes a different law than the one voted on. If people want socialized medicine and it legally goes through lawmaking process the fine. I accept as law lots of stuff I hate because it passed LEGALLY.

I haven't even mentioned the picking and choosing he has done concerning waivers. Or congress exempting themselves. The Federalist
papers even addressed this by saying congress has to live under the laws it passes.

They are making a new aristocracy. It is the ruling class in DC. I, like you, despise anyone who takes away my or anyone else's liberty. Both sides are doing it and both sides are disgusting to me.

 

[bamacon]

The Democrats have basically said they won't pass anything but a continuing resolution with no strings attached. So now, this will probably go to the debt limit debate, at which point there will be some sort of grand bargain. Or we will default, and the South will rise again.

Sounds good to me but the president will not default. He already had stated he believes he has the authority to pay debts under the 14th amendment section 4. Since he does whatever he wants anyway I'm sure no one will have a problem with it.

No, They'll just call you a racist or a nut job extreme right winger for supporting those crazy outdated concepts of liberty and the rule of law.