Have we as a fan base arrived at a point yet where our favorite team , other than Bama, is whoever`s playing UGA? Living here in Georgia, I`m there.
Have Alabama and UGA Swapped Places From Five Or So Years Ago?
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I have a theory about what happened with BoB and Pete last year. BoB thought he was doing CNS a favor by sticking around in 2022, given that CBB wanted him back in Foxboro. When he stuck around he expected some gratitude or at least deference from CNS. But he got treated no different than previously or than anyone else - i.e. yelled at. He decided ”forget this” and phoned the season in. With Pete, CNS hired him because of his smarts with Xs and Os, and then made him run the same defense CNS has always run not letting him exhibit any creativity. That was a bad fit.
We shall see if I am right about Pee his year. I very much doubt Lane is going to micromanage Pete’s defense, so he should have a chance to excel. And we shall see if BoB has anything left in the tank when we see what happens this year with Mac et al in New England.
We shall see if I am right about Pee his year. I very much doubt Lane is going to micromanage Pete’s defense, so he should have a chance to excel. And we shall see if BoB has anything left in the tank when we see what happens this year with Mac et al in New England.
2 plays defined our season. It happens.
How many positional coaching changes have taken place at Alabama over the last 5 years? that is bound to catch up to someone, even Saban. The hires can not always be perfect, but moving from them and doing what is best for the team is what matters. Saban always does this and Saban should always be given the benefit of the doubt
there is also some luck involved with winning a national title, I don't care what anyone says.... and first your team has to be competitive enough to get some of that luck... saban will always have his team in a position to compete and win... always
there is also some luck involved with winning a national title, I don't care what anyone says.... and first your team has to be competitive enough to get some of that luck... saban will always have his team in a position to compete and win... always
We need to return to our days of trying to dominate our opponent on every play. Dominate them until they want to quit. Don't worry about results; just keep trying to whip our opponents on each play in a game, each day in practice, each recruiting trip, and with every decision that is made about our program. The results will take care of themselves.
We had some pretty good results in 2021. We were SEC champs and had players win several major awards, including our first Heisman for a QB. Something still didn't seem quite right.
In 2022, it really seemed like we expected to win titles and awards and thought teams were just going to lay down for us because we were Alabama. We did manage to win 11 games and a Sugar Bowl trophy, but, once again, things just didn't seem quite right. We could very easily have beaten UT and LSU, but we could also very easily have lost to Texas, Ole Siss, and 8&4(5&7). We did not dominate any decent team other than MSU. I hope we get back to wearing people out and dominating the line of scrimmage. Roll Tide!
We had some pretty good results in 2021. We were SEC champs and had players win several major awards, including our first Heisman for a QB. Something still didn't seem quite right.
In 2022, it really seemed like we expected to win titles and awards and thought teams were just going to lay down for us because we were Alabama. We did manage to win 11 games and a Sugar Bowl trophy, but, once again, things just didn't seem quite right. We could very easily have beaten UT and LSU, but we could also very easily have lost to Texas, Ole Siss, and 8&4(5&7). We did not dominate any decent team other than MSU. I hope we get back to wearing people out and dominating the line of scrimmage. Roll Tide!
I think there's a difference though to the "If Colt hadn't got hurt" Texas claim and Bama's "If Metchie/Williams hadn't got hurt" claim against Georgia . We played Texas only once that season so there's a lot of uncertainty as to what would have happened with Colt in there. Maybe it would have mattered but maybe not. With Georgia in 2021 we already saw what happened in the SECCG with Metchie and Williams in there when we stomped them so no Gerogia fan can seriously claim they would have beaten us anyway in the NCG if we had those guys.
Yes. The 2021 championship was the changing of the guard. Bama isn't back at Shula levels, but the run from 2009-2020 is over and Bama is slowly sliding back to reality where playing for SEC titles every other year is the expectation instead of "national title or bust".
It used to be that winning a national title meant having to beat Bama. That was the case in 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, and 2008. Every year for over a decade the national champ either beat Bama that year or Bama won the title. 2013 was the exception to the rule, but it was close as AU (who beat Bama) gave up a late lead to FSU. In 2022 Bama didn't matter to anyone in the playoff.
While it is true Bama was 2 plays from going 12-0 it was also 3 other plays from going 7-5. If a kick gets missed against Texas and TAMU and Ole Miss complete passes into the end zone at the end of the game Bama goes 7-5.
I don't expect Bama to go 7-5 in 2023 but I think 9-3 is a reasonable expectation. 12-0 seems like a dream.
It used to be that winning a national title meant having to beat Bama. That was the case in 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, and 2008. Every year for over a decade the national champ either beat Bama that year or Bama won the title. 2013 was the exception to the rule, but it was close as AU (who beat Bama) gave up a late lead to FSU. In 2022 Bama didn't matter to anyone in the playoff.
While it is true Bama was 2 plays from going 12-0 it was also 3 other plays from going 7-5. If a kick gets missed against Texas and TAMU and Ole Miss complete passes into the end zone at the end of the game Bama goes 7-5.
I don't expect Bama to go 7-5 in 2023 but I think 9-3 is a reasonable expectation. 12-0 seems like a dream.
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The answer to the question is No. And it has always been No, and it will always be No.
Next question.
Next question.
As far as BoB it would be extremely rare for a coach to phone it in with their competitive nature. Just think he became a bad college coach with no adjustments.
Now for Pete. You give him way too much credit. I coached for a long time HS through college. Pete had more leeway over the defense than others previous. He made it far weaker. Yes Saban is partly to blame of course. But we saw the immediate impact Pete made with the ILBs, huge downgrade in their play. You can tell he was a bad LB coach. Yes he only did DBs before so that is partly on Saban but he never improved their play over the years. That’s the heart of the D. Now his schemes and play calling and aggressiveness to instill in players was terrible. Defense takes on the coaches personality. I don’t want to turn this into another bash Pete so I will stop. He is pretty good but not at Bama or maybe SEC.
As far as UGA they are at the top and better coached the past few years. I like others hate pointing to injuries and would have could have. It’s all part of the game. Stop saying if for injuries. They had them too. Even in 21 who knows how that would have turned out cause they had a healthier Pickens and more the second time. It’s also harder to beat a team twice. If our D couldn’t pick off those lame duck passes then our injuries weren’t the only problem. (Passes deep middle so safeties not injured CBs) no excuse. Until someone beats them they are the best and consistent program.
Good news is the DC is better now and brings an attitude. The OC jury is out but seems like a lock to be an improvement at least. Fits college game anyway. Position coaches at spots are debatable. So we should be close to UGA at all spots if not better and the head spot is an easy win for us. Our Dline is the lacking spot now so we will see this season. But right now it is UGA 1 and Bama 2 or 1b going into the season.
Ole Miss has ranked...
9th (2022) , 8th (2021), and 14th (2020) in scoring defense under Kiffin.
8th, 11th, and 14th in yards per game given up.
7th, 8th, and 12th in yards per play given up.
So they've gotten better in each season under Kiffin defensively, although certainly nothing to brag about. Bama has scored fewer points each year against Kiffin - 63 in 2020, then 42, and 30 last year.
I wouldn't be shocked if Bama doesn't blow the doors off Ole Miss this fall. It's Ole Miss' conference opener and Bama may still be working the kinks out of the offense. I'm concerned about the Texas game. Not just the outcome, but that the QB position may not be decided and we may see a repeat of 2015 where Bama loses to an inferior Ole Miss team because it can't get QB figured out.
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Over the last 2 years they have been the best team in college football. Due to 7 injuries (4 for Bama in 21 and 3 for Ohio State in 2022) Let's not pretend that Georgia has been this dominant team over the last 2 years. They supposedly had the best defense in the history of college football 2 years ago. How did they do against a healthy Bama in the SEC championship? Bama won that game 41 - 24 and had 536 of total yards on offense. If not for no Metchie, Williams getting hurt early in the 2nd quarter of that game and our 2 starting corners out for the game, Bama wins the national championship. Period.
Fast forward to last year. Again, they luck out with injuries to the other teams best players. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (20th pick of the NFL draft and would have been way higher if played last year) did not suit up. Ohio States starting running back not available. Marvin Harrison, Jr. was destroying Georgia. 106 yards in 3 quarters. Then, he gets hurt on a non-call targeting penalty with 1 minute to go in the 3rd quarter. Harrison doesn't get hurt and Ohio State easily wins. They have Smith-Njigba, Trayvon Henderson and Harrison Jr. for the whole game and they boat race Georgia.
So, does Georgia have 2 titles over the last 2 years. Yes. And is it their fault that other teams best players have been hurt. No. But, have they taken over college football and are they absolutely better than Bama. Hard NO.
Fast forward to last year. Again, they luck out with injuries to the other teams best players. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (20th pick of the NFL draft and would have been way higher if played last year) did not suit up. Ohio States starting running back not available. Marvin Harrison, Jr. was destroying Georgia. 106 yards in 3 quarters. Then, he gets hurt on a non-call targeting penalty with 1 minute to go in the 3rd quarter. Harrison doesn't get hurt and Ohio State easily wins. They have Smith-Njigba, Trayvon Henderson and Harrison Jr. for the whole game and they boat race Georgia.
So, does Georgia have 2 titles over the last 2 years. Yes. And is it their fault that other teams best players have been hurt. No. But, have they taken over college football and are they absolutely better than Bama. Hard NO.
Kirby had more time as a coach to come along the right way. He also came from the Georgia program. Golding came to us from UTSA. Dare I day....huge difference?
I mean, all that makes sense, but if we make fun of "But Colt got hurt" then it's a double standard to say it. I get it! We likely beat Texas if Colt would have played the whole game, but injuries are just part of football and Georgia benefited and we have too.
Alabama is exactly one year out from your qualification, you haven’t seen this year’s team, and you declare the run over?
That’s pessimistic, even for you.
I don't like playing this game, but I think it's relevant to Georgia's success over the last two years. They've only played two top 10 teams in the regular season over the last two years and that was Tennessee last year at home and Clemson in 2021 in a neutral site game. They haven't played a top 10 team on the road since they played us in 2020, and they most likely won't have one next year. There are probably 5-6 teams that could go undefeated with Georgia's 2023 schedule. It will take a legitimate upset for them to not go undefeated regardless of how good they truly are.
I will give them credit though for playing well in the postseason the last two years beyond the 2021 SECCG.
I will give them credit though for playing well in the postseason the last two years beyond the 2021 SECCG.
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