Every time I listen to some media pundit argue against Jones, the argument starts with the lack of athleticism, and ends with the argument that he has "reached his ceiling" compared to the vast possibilities of the other prospects. The basis always seems to be that if your QB can't beat the other team running they cannot make it in today's NFL.
I thought I must be missing something, as I've been watching the NFL since well before Randall Cunningham first ran around, and while I've always believed that being able to escape was a nice to have ability, I've never believed in the run-first QB.
So I decided to do some research:
While there are a lot of factors beyond just the QB to making and winning a superbowl, some "napkin math" should be able to at least indicate if I'm missing something.
There have been 24 different QB to make the SB since 2000. Of those 24, I would argue that only 5 could be said to include "athleticism" (read as running around either to extend the play an inordinate amount, or taking off to run) as a significant part of their game.
McNabb
Kaepernick
Newton
Wilson
Mahomes
There are others in the list that would be considered more mobile that others, but the remaining 19 are primarily passers. (I would argue that Mahomes and Wilson still lean more to pass than run)
The SB record of these 5 QB is 2-5, with only Wilson and Mahomes winning one each, and both lost one each to Tom Brady.
The SB record of the remaining 19 is 20-15 (Warner won one SB outside of the years listed).
So the evidence, at least at the SB level, doesn't match the narrative. You would expect a higher number of running SB QB and a better record. If the NFL is "shifting" to running QB, you'd expect this list to be more current, but in fact only Mahommes has been in the SB in the last 5 years.
And then the argument regarding ceiling doesn't make any more sense. It is true that MJ isn't as fast or as strong as some of the others, but if arm strength was the only measure of success, Jamarcus Russell would be in the HOF.
Obviously there is a lot of speculation in what a prospect will become. What I don't understand is the idea that MJ cannot get better. Maybe the right comp is Matt Ryan, but if I was going to say what is in the realm of possible, I'd look for another comp based on brains and competitive nature.
For a potential of the best he could be, there are two other QB I would use, if I based my measure on brains, processing ability and a notable lack of ability to take off and run. If Sunshine is supposed to be the next Andrew Luck (what exactly did AL accomplish), and Justin Fields is the next Deshaun Watson (same), why couldn't MJ be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. The pundits seem to offer up unobtainable expectations for the ceilings of the first two, but supposedly MJ is what he is and isn't going to get any better.
My point isn't that MJ is a HOF player before he takes the first NFL snap. I just continue to remain confused as to why the fact you can run fast and throw hard you must be destined for greatness, while evidence would show that brains and moxie seem to have better history.
I thought I must be missing something, as I've been watching the NFL since well before Randall Cunningham first ran around, and while I've always believed that being able to escape was a nice to have ability, I've never believed in the run-first QB.
So I decided to do some research:
While there are a lot of factors beyond just the QB to making and winning a superbowl, some "napkin math" should be able to at least indicate if I'm missing something.
There have been 24 different QB to make the SB since 2000. Of those 24, I would argue that only 5 could be said to include "athleticism" (read as running around either to extend the play an inordinate amount, or taking off to run) as a significant part of their game.
McNabb
Kaepernick
Newton
Wilson
Mahomes
There are others in the list that would be considered more mobile that others, but the remaining 19 are primarily passers. (I would argue that Mahomes and Wilson still lean more to pass than run)
The SB record of these 5 QB is 2-5, with only Wilson and Mahomes winning one each, and both lost one each to Tom Brady.
The SB record of the remaining 19 is 20-15 (Warner won one SB outside of the years listed).
So the evidence, at least at the SB level, doesn't match the narrative. You would expect a higher number of running SB QB and a better record. If the NFL is "shifting" to running QB, you'd expect this list to be more current, but in fact only Mahommes has been in the SB in the last 5 years.
And then the argument regarding ceiling doesn't make any more sense. It is true that MJ isn't as fast or as strong as some of the others, but if arm strength was the only measure of success, Jamarcus Russell would be in the HOF.
Obviously there is a lot of speculation in what a prospect will become. What I don't understand is the idea that MJ cannot get better. Maybe the right comp is Matt Ryan, but if I was going to say what is in the realm of possible, I'd look for another comp based on brains and competitive nature.
For a potential of the best he could be, there are two other QB I would use, if I based my measure on brains, processing ability and a notable lack of ability to take off and run. If Sunshine is supposed to be the next Andrew Luck (what exactly did AL accomplish), and Justin Fields is the next Deshaun Watson (same), why couldn't MJ be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. The pundits seem to offer up unobtainable expectations for the ceilings of the first two, but supposedly MJ is what he is and isn't going to get any better.
My point isn't that MJ is a HOF player before he takes the first NFL snap. I just continue to remain confused as to why the fact you can run fast and throw hard you must be destined for greatness, while evidence would show that brains and moxie seem to have better history.