2016 Election - Trump: How Did Trump Really Win the Presidency?

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Today's discussion centering around how the country is doing now....vs. previous administrations, for example....makes me wonder.....is there an annual report card issued which grades various performance aspects of the nation?

Something that is not spun by politics?

Something that is grounded by facts and figures?

Something that is concise and easy to read (for "bottom line" persons such as myself)?

Example would be:

Employment/Jobs: B
Economy: C
National Security/terrorism: C
Health care: C
Middle East: D
Poverty/Homelessness: c
Ethics and morals: D
Immigration: C

The grades given above were just for example.

We all received report cards growing up.......why not give the nation a report card?
there are myriad stats on the state of our country freely available. unfortunately the government is manipulating those numbers to hide the fact that our country is coming apart at the seams
 

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Trump Rick-Rolls the media......

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/m...m-to-cover-endorsements-from-military-heroes/

At the very end of the campaign event, Trump finally addressed the topic the media was there to hear. “Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it.”
“President Barack Obama was born in the United States,” Trump said. “Period. Now we all want to get back to making America strong again.”

Many reporters, some standing on chairs, began shouting questions over the applause from the guests in attendance. But Trump, having accomplished what he wanted, took none.
 

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there are myriad stats on the state of our country freely available. unfortunately the government is manipulating those numbers to hide the fact that our country is coming apart at the seams
Actually, an article on Zero Hedge posted today cites a Harvard study that indicates that by almost every measure, we're worse off today than we've been in decades.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-15/harvard-debunks-obama-recovery-farce
 

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Love him or hate him, and he's certainly earned plenty of scorn, but Donald Trump uses the media like the brain dead puppets they really are. It's fascinating to see. It would be terribly sad if we had not already known for decades that they had sold their souls.
 

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Love him or hate him, and he's certainly earned plenty of scorn, but Donald Trump uses the media like the brain dead puppets they really are. It's fascinating to see. It would be terribly sad if we had not already known for decades that they had sold their souls.
This - to me - is his one redeeming quality. He doesn't have any others, and I sure as hell don't want him (or her) as my President.

But he has really managed to bring out their propensity for entertainment at the expense of enlightenment. It's like Fox News, regardless of whether you love or hate it, has one redeeming quality - the Left can't hide stories anymore that come out years later. The Fox spin, of course, is the opposite of every other network and (sometimes) reality. But the one thing I have admitted is Trump is laughably entertaining. Were this a soap opera and not reality, we'd all be rooting for him.
 

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well, bazza, there you go.
Honestly asking, are you refuting the numbers? I don't follow the economy like some do - I know that my I'm doing well, my friends re doing well, etc, but I've no idea what the other 330 million people in the US are living with...
 

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Honestly asking, are you refuting the numbers? I don't follow the economy like some do - I know that my I'm doing well, my friends re doing well, etc, but I've no idea what the other 330 million people in the US are living with...
I don't pretend to be an economist either, but it looks like these results are based on an electronic survey sent to Harvard Business School alumni with a 7.8% response rate. Statistically, that's among the worst ways of gathering data.
 

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Honestly asking, are you refuting the numbers? I don't follow the economy like some do - I know that my I'm doing well, my friends re doing well, etc, but I've no idea what the other 330 million people in the US are living with...
i'm not refuting anything. i had a couple of moments to scan the report, but not delve deeply. there is a lot to work on in there and a lot of things that i think should be (and in some cases are being) addressed. however, i don't think there is anything in there that is remotely indicative of a country disintegrating.
 

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I don't pretend to be an economist either, but it looks like these results are based on an electronic survey sent to Harvard Business School alumni with a 7.8% response rate. Statistically, that's among the worst ways of gathering data.
Sounds like a PPD poll....
 

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I know that my earlier post ended up being my opinion on the record of the current admin. This was apropos because Clinton is promising to continue those policies, with some posters saying she would make a "fine" president. But some of what he has done is just an an intensified continuation of previous admins. E.g., the bailouts were a continuation of Bush's foolish initiative, the Iraq war, etc. And as I stated before, political leaders have little influence one way or the other on the spiritual condition of individual citizens - the matter of greatest importance. So, I'm not laying the blame for our demise primarily at the feet of Obama, though his policies have certainly helped facilitate many aspects of it.

And no, this is not a "God forsaken hell-hole". But the evidence of an alarming decline is clear, IMO. If someone wants a simple view from an economic standpoint, consider this. The US debt is currently ~ $19 Tril. It's income is ~ $3.2 Tril. It's current expenditures are ~ $3.8 Tril. I.e., we are running a deficit of ~ $.6 Tril annually without the courage and will to address this. In fact, we are are much more likely to increase the deficit, thus debt, than decrease it. Interest alone is ~ $.23 Tril, and increasing each year. (A side note: this is why a normal interest rate would be devastating. We can't afford it.)

Someone can check me on these numbers, but I used an analogy of an individual making $100,000 annually to the Fed gov't making (all gov't revenues) $3.2 Tril, expenditures ~$3.8 Tril.

Debt: $593,000
Income: $100,000
Spending: $118,800
Interest: $7200
Deficit: $18,800

That is a financial condition portending disaster. Especially, since we do not have the moral courage, thus, political will to seriously address the issue. It would be political suicide for anyone to take the steps necessary to do so. Again, this is not an Obama or Dem or Rep issue, it is an American issue. They are putting it off until the end. Whatever that means and whenever it will occur.

I understand that an individual and gov't are not the same. The gov't can print money, but that has its own set of problems. Sure we can borrow but that continues to lay it on our children and it masks the real state of things. When the day of financial reckoning arrives it will not be pretty. For the moment we have willing creditors, but that will not last.

But the more important less quantifiable things are even worse: the brazen disregard for the law by the top LE officials, the deepening divide betwee many groups: black-white, Dem-Rep, LE-blacks, rich-poor, etc., the deceitful agenda-driven media, the selfishness and cowardice that keeps many in the media and gov't from doing right, the laziness and fear that is leading many to be dependent on others, etc. Finally, the moral decline resulting in some of the preposterous public policies is disheartening. But these are symptoms not causes. As I posted earlier, these two candidates are the choices of a people in serious decline.
 

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Add to all that the fiscal gap of roughly $200 trillion....yes, $200 TRILLION on a net present value of future tax receipts vs. promised future payments (SS, Medicare, etc....). Very dismal.

I know that my earlier post ended up being my opinion on the record of the current admin. This was apropos because Clinton is promising to continue those policies, with some posters saying she would make a "fine" president. But some of what he has done is just an an intensified continuation of previous admins. E.g., the bailouts were a continuation of Bush's foolish initiative, the Iraq war, etc. And as I stated before, political leaders have little influence one way or the other on the spiritual condition of individual citizens - the matter of greatest importance. So, I'm not laying the blame for our demise primarily at the feet of Obama, though his policies have certainly helped facilitate many aspects of it.

And no, this is not a "God forsaken hell-hole". But the evidence of an alarming decline is clear, IMO. If someone wants a simple view from an economic standpoint, consider this. The US debt is currently ~ $19 Tril. It's income is ~ $3.2 Tril. It's current expenditures are ~ $3.8 Tril. I.e., we are running a deficit of ~ $.6 Tril annually without the courage and will to address this. In fact, we are are much more likely to increase the deficit, thus debt, than decrease it. Interest alone is ~ $.23 Tril, and increasing each year. (A side note: this is why a normal interest rate would be devastating. We can't afford it.)

Someone can check me on these numbers, but I used an analogy of an individual making $100,000 annually to the Fed gov't making (all gov't revenues) $3.2 Tril, expenditures ~$3.8 Tril.

Debt: $593,000
Income: $100,000
Spending: $118,800
Interest: $7200
Deficit: $18,800

That is a financial condition portending disaster. Especially, since we do not have the moral courage, thus, political will to seriously address the issue. It would be political suicide for anyone to take the steps necessary to do so. Again, this is not an Obama or Dem or Rep issue, it is an American issue. They are putting it off until the end. Whatever that means and whenever it will occur.

I understand that an individual and gov't are not the same. The gov't can print money, but that has its own set of problems. Sure we can borrow but that continues to lay it on our children and it masks the real state of things. When the day of financial reckoning arrives it will not be pretty. For the moment we have willing creditors, but that will not last.

But the more important less quantifiable things are even worse: the brazen disregard for the law by the top LE officials, the deepening divide betwee many groups: black-white, Dem-Rep, LE-blacks, rich-poor, etc., the deceitful agenda-driven media, the selfishness and cowardice that keeps many in the media and gov't from doing right, the laziness and fear that is leading many to be dependent on others, etc. Finally, the moral decline resulting in some of the preposterous public policies is disheartening. But these are symptoms not causes. As I posted earlier, these two candidates are the choices of a people in serious decline.
 

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Add to all that the fiscal gap of roughly $200 trillion....yes, $200 TRILLION on a net present value of future tax receipts vs. promised future payments (SS, Medicare, etc....). Very dismal.
How long does the promised period of time cover ? Is it 25 years, 50 years, etc. ? I never know that.
 

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Then you're reading it the wrong way. I honestly don't think there's a story with Clinton's foundation. It's an actual charity with clear money trails and no legitimate indication of fraud after nearly a month of journalistic investigation. She's vowed to step away from it should she be elected president, which I think is appropriate.

Trump's organization/conglomerate has seen far less journalistic scrutiny, but what little we do know seems far more concerning. This is an organization that we know has committed fraud in at least one case, and was fined by the IRS as a result. It doesn't appear to be a charity at all, and is accused of donating a significant amount to an AG in exchange for her dropping a lawsuit against Trump University. It isn't an organization that can simply be taken over by his kids without profound conflicts of interest should Trump win the presidency. Honestly, this is a huge issue that has seen shockingly little attention.

You think I want the focus on Trump to divert attention from Clinton, but that isn't true. I want equal scrutiny of both major candidates, from health records to tax returns to potential conflicts of interest. So far, that scrutiny has been too one-sided, and I think that's a huge disservice to the country.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/j...n-foundation-budget-actually-went-to-charity/

Just 5.7 percent of the Clinton Foundation’s massive 2014 budget actually went to charitable grants, according to the tax-exempt organization’s IRS filings. The rest went to salaries and employee benefits, fundraising and “other expenses.”

The Clinton Foundation spent a hair under $91.3 million in 2014, the organization’s IRS filings show. But less than $5.2 million of that went to charitable grants.

That number pales in comparison to the $34.8 million the foundation spent on salaries, compensation and employee benefits.

Another $50.4 million was marked as “other expenses,” while the remaining almost $851K was marked as “professional fundraising expenses.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/16/j...udget-actually-went-to-charity/#ixzz4KTsaAhB2
 
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