News Article: If Scotland can secede, so can Texas

[Al A Bama]

And you're thinking if Texas were to secede the US would allow them to keep the military hardware?

Considering how contentious it would be - it would almost certainly cause another civil war, but even if it somehow did not - I dare say the US government would do NOTHING to help Texas.

Look at all the weapons that the U S has indirectly given ISIS or ISIL.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Look at all the weapons that the U S has indirectly given ISIS or ISIL.

Um, so you're saying you think the Texans would steal them???

 

[Crimson1967]

I think if they did leave, the military bases would be reduced to nothing but empty buildings. The planes would be gone in 60 seconds. Every weapon, ammunition, office furniture, computers, etc. would be packed up and shipped out. Anything not nailed down. Along with all the people there spending money.

Any Fortune 500 companies in Texas? You think they would stay there? What about regular people who aren't on the public dole who would rather not live in a foreign country?

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[twofbyc]

Texans can believe whatever they wish, but with no standing army they'd belong to Mexico within a month of secession.

Yeah, and rectifying that would out of necessity change that 0 corporate tax rate.

 

[Crimson1967]

Wouldn't it be easier to vote the dead beats out of office?

Rule #1 of setting up a government is "Make it very difficult to get voted out".

 

[Jon]

Is it your contention that the federal government is the only thing that keeps those militant Christians from attempting to purge the world of "sinners"?

No

But in this hypothetical scenario where far right evangelical Christians control their federal government I am of the belief that they would become corrupt with power and it would ultimately lead to pogroms against anyone they feel deviant. Ok so maybe pogroms is a little strong but I just love that word and wanted to use it in a sentence

Remember we are talking about a group that just this year added the completely discredited "gay conversion therapy" to the official Texas Republican platform. In their twisted minds I am certain that they would see themselves as "helping these poor souls" by rounding them up and putting them in gay conversion camps. Those that fought back, which would be all of them in the major cities would have to be dealt with in some way.

 

[Tidewater]

And, don't ever believe that they maintain those bases out of the goodness of their hearts for the good of the country. Those bases are there because of political clout and would cost Texas scores of thousands of jobs.

True, to a point. If one were to cross-reference the number of military installations in New England and New England support for military expenditures, there might be a causal relationship between the two.
Military installations predominate in the South for three reasons:
1. When those installations were established, the Solid South Democrats, having been in the Congress for decades in many cases, were senior in the SASC/HASC committees and got to decide where installations would be established (1910s-1940s).
2. Southern land was cheap.
3. The warmer climate enabled training for more of the year than in, say, New York or Minnesota.
If DoD were to move out of Texas all of the installations/units/activities now in Texas (something nobody denies that the Federal government now has the power to do), I believe you'd see the "43%-more-in-Federal-spending-than-paid-in-taxes" ratio change a good bit.

As for your proposition that they'd try to starve their poor into leaving for other states, I'd say "Seal the southern border with Texas - no more illegal immigrants..."

Perhaps (although given the attitudes the current governing class, I'd say they'd be just as happy to have Texas refugees as they would Latin American refugees, and for the same reasons: a reliable voting bloc), but, relieved of the Federal mandates, I'd bet Texans would tighten the criteria for public assistance. I doubt Texas would allow public assistance EBT cards to be used in marijuana shops. And the Justice Department's army of underemployed lawyers would no longer have authority to force Texas to do so.
And there is a difference between "starving" welfare recipients and being more stringent in who is eligible and what public assistance pays for. My sister (a knee-jerk Democrat and mindless supporter of President Obama) has been on public assistance most of her adult life. She has two cars, three laptops, three cell phones, high speed internet, cable TV, a Netflix subscription, a dog, a cat, donates to the Sierra Club every month and is now going back to college to get her second bachelor's degree because she does not like working in the field of her first bachelor's degree. She receives a lot more than she "needs." The controls are not in place to help her only to the extent of her actual "no kidding" needs. There is no political appetite to establish such controls. I would wager she is not alone in that situation.

 

[crimsonaudio]

But in this hypothetical scenario where far right evangelical Christians control their federal government I am of the belief that they would become corrupt with power and it would ultimately lead to pogroms against anyone they feel deviant. Ok so maybe pogroms is a little strong but I just love that word and wanted to use it in a sentence

I think that even in Texas the percentage of Christians willing to impose their will at that level would be small.

 

[Jon]

I think that even in Texas the percentage of Christians willing to impose their will at that level would be small.

hopefully we'll never know who is right

 

[TIDE-HSV]

3. The warmer climate enabled training for more of the year than in, say, New York or Minnesota.
If DoD were to move out of Texas all of the installations/units/activities now in Texas (something nobody denies that the Federal government now has the power to do), I believe you'd see the "43%-more-in-Federal-spending-than-paid-in-taxes" ratio change a good bit.

Certainly! That was my point. Why pump money into a foreign country? Also, there would be bruised feelings remaining with the rest of the US (not that they're not already there, vis a vis Texas). They couldn't expect to catch a break from the US.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Um, so you're saying you think the Texans would steal them???

Just from all the dead Muslims coming across the border. At that point, I don' think it's stealing so much as it is liberating them of their weapons.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I think that even in Texas the percentage of Christians willing to impose their will at that level would be small.

It would never happen. If it did, I'd move to Mexico.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Just from all the dead Muslims coming across the border. At that point, I don' think it's stealing so much as it is liberating them of their weapons.

Um, we were speaking of the US-owned facilities and materiel present in Texas? I don't think there a material number of armed Muslims in Texas...

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I think if they did leave, the military bases would be reduced to nothing but empty buildings. The planes would be gone in 60 seconds. Every weapon, ammunition, office furniture, computers, etc. would be packed up and shipped out. Anything not nailed down. Along with all the people there spending money.

Any Fortune 500 companies in Texas? You think they would stay there? What about regular people who aren't on the public dole who would rather not live in a foreign country?

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If Texas changed their income tax laws and removed the double taxation burden that afflicts so many companies/stockholders? They would flock to Texas. Ford would be headquartered here and they would break the union.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Um, we were speaking of the US-owned facilities and materiel present in Texas? I don't think there a material number of armed Muslims in Texas...

There's more and more every day.

 

[chanson78]

Just from all the dead Muslims coming across the border.

Are all the messicans carrying these dead muslims across the border when they infiltrate our country? Or are you saying that there are now zombie muslims? I didn't think muslims could get more scary, but you have just found a way.

They could create the Islamic Zombie Operational Duchy (IZOD for short). Those crafty zombie muslims could even save on the uniforms by just buying all the conveniently branded IZOD clothing. Who wants to bet that obama planned for the izod brand to exist so his eventual zombie muslim brethren could have cheap clothing just like a proper socialist zombie muslim overlord dictator should?

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Are all the messicans carrying these dead muslims across the border when they infiltrate our country? Or are you saying that there are now zombie muslims? I didn't think muslims could get more scary, but you have just found a way.

They could create the Islamic Zombie Operational Duchy (IZOD for short). Those crafty zombie muslims could even save on the uniforms by just buying all the conveniently branded IZOD clothing. Who wants to bet that obama planned for the izod brand to exist so his eventual zombie muslim brethren could have cheap clothing just like a proper socialist zombie muslim overlord dictator should?

I like it!

 

[TexasBama]

The likely next governor of Texas is cut from the same cloth as Perry. And it's laughable that either would have the wherewithal to run a country. Texas would be a third world theocracy in ten years.

This 43 percent number is wrong though. Texas is net positive in federal receipts v disbursements. A quick wiki shows that.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

The likely next governor of Texas is cut from the same cloth as Perry. And it's laughable that either would have the wherewithal to run a country. Texas would be a third world theocracy in ten years.

This 43 percent number is wrong though. Texas is net positive in federal receipts v disbursements. A quick shows that.

Is there really anyone who is net negative in federal receipts considering how much debt is created each year?

 

[TexasBama]

No

But in this hypothetical scenario where far right evangelical Christians control their federal government I am of the belief that they would become corrupt with power and it would ultimately lead to pogroms against anyone they feel deviant. Ok so maybe pogroms is a little strong but I just love that word and wanted to use it in a sentence

Remember we are talking about a group that just this year added the completely discredited "gay conversion therapy" to the official Texas Republican platform. In their twisted minds I am certain that they would see themselves as "helping these poor souls" by rounding them up and putting them in gay conversion camps. Those that fought back, which would be all of them in the major cities would have to be dealt with in some way.

I was pleased to see the courts overturn their attempt at shuttering abortion clinics.