Indians And High Cheek Bones

[ValuJet]

^^^ microagression!

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I have a friend who has similar features to Warren. Fair skin, blonde hair, very high check bones. Much of her family is from Norway though. I've heard the Sami people have the high cheek bone trait.

This is true and the Finns have even more. The Sami are originally Altaic, as is their language (and Finnish/Estonian). Their origin seems to be likely, from genomic studies, to be western Asia, so there is undoubtedly eastern Asian influence, since they occupied the same continent. Genomic tests cannot distinguish between NA and east Asian, so I'm listed as such, although I know I have no east Asian. OTOH, I also have traces of Ashkenazim Jewish and Oceanic, both of which are mysteries to me...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Sen. Warren is putting herself out there so it's all good. We also have 265 pages of Trump bashing, so there's plenty to go around.

Not saying don't bash Warren, by any means. Certainly there are enough grounds to go around. All I'm saying is that she appears to me to be part NA. If she used that loophole, so what? Plenty have used it and others. To me, Clinton, Bush and Trump using loopholes to stay far away from combat are all far more egregious than claiming NA ancestry which is known in your family...

 

[Al A Bama]

Sen. Warren is putting herself out there so it's all good. We also have 265 pages of Trump bashing, so there's plenty to go around.

Does the Donald have high cheek bones? I can't see because of his hair. Now, Warren does look a little like Chief Sitting Bull. Maybe it's just a lot of bull.

 

[Relayer]

I've never really given it much thought that I have high cheek bones, but I've always called them "upper jowls" I tell my kids they're blessed with the "Speed cheeks" (my grandfather on my mom's side). But there's nary an Indian in my line that I am aware of. I thought maybe it developed through the generations from rapid movement of the cheeks as my forefathers chewed tobacco and the cheek bones moved upward. If I can attribute it to some Indian blood in me, that will explain a lot.

Warren is Native American because, well, she says she is. And, as you well know, when a woman makes a claim, it is just wrong wrong wrong (misogynistic) to doubt her (if that woman is one of the 4 or 5 who claimed to have been assaulted by Bill Clinton the the previous statement is inoperative).

 

[Tide1986]

https://timeline.com/part-cherokee-elizabeth-warren-cf6be035967e#.z98d9gtie

There's a running joke in Indian country,” said a spokesperson for the Cherokee Nation in 2012. “If you meet somebody who you wouldn’t necessarily think they’re Native, but they say they’re Native, chances are they’ll tell you they’re Cherokee.”

But “Cherokees are among the best documented people in the world,” says David Cornsilk, the nation’s preeminent Cherokee genealogist. “We probably come in third after royalty and Mormons.” Between U.S. government records and the multiple existing sets of very thorough tribal kinship records, if you have Cherokee ancestry, there’s bound to be documentation somewhere.

Elizabeth Warren can’t provide that documentation. In defending her claim, she says only, “This is what my brothers and I were told by my mom and my dad, my mammaw and my pappaw.” Many people’s mammaws and pappaws have told them the same thing. The interesting thing is not why Warren’s clung to her family lore for so long, it’s why so many white people in America claim Cherokee heritage to begin with. The answer is paradoxical: it’s a way of communicating authentic white Southern identity.

 

[ValuJet]

I never thought this would evolve into a serious discussion on high cheek bones and Native American pride. It's reminiscent of Germans and Russians showing up on St. Patrick's Day claiming to be Irish. Carry on.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Here's what she looked like as a young woman:

LINK

 

[TIDE-HSV]

https://timeline.com/part-cherokee-elizabeth-warren-cf6be035967e#.z98d9gtie

Basically very little was kept in the way of records before 1838...

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I am actually a descendant of Catherine Rising Fawn, who's father was Chief Moytoy.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I am actually a descendant of Catherine Rising Fawn, who's father was Chief Moytoy.

Congrats!

 

[Relayer]

Here's what she looked like as a young woman:

LINK

Still looks like a pale-face to me. Bruce, on the other hand, looks Belgian.

 

[ValuJet]

Still looks like a pale-face to me. Bruce, on the other hand, looks Belgian.

Her legs looked pretty good in those hotpants.

 

[ValuJet]

Still looks like a pale-face to me. Bruce, on the other hand, looks Belgian.

I do declare he favors Dr. Niles Johanssen.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Congrats!

I guess I can use that in my next political campaign and also claim my piece of the pie to any Cherokee casino money.

 

[ValuJet]

I guess I can use that in my next political campaign and also claim my piece of the pie to any Cherokee casino money.

On heresay, my first wife was 1/2 Cherokee (it's complicated). Meaning my daughter is 1/4 Cherokee and my new grandson is 1/8 Cherokee, 1/2 Italian, and some other mix of Welsh/Irish. A mongrel, if you will.

I will encourage him as he ages to take advantage of this mongrelization. He can go to any number of parades and ethnic celebrations. My legacy and commitment to him will be to marginalize his caucasoid and convince him to take advantage of his aggrieved, minority heritage.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

On heresay, my first wife was 1/2 Cherokee (it's complicated). Meaning my daughter is 1/4 Cherokee and my new grandson is 1/8 Cherokee, 1/2 Italian, and some other mix of Welsh/Irish. A mongrel, if you will.

I will encourage him as he ages to take advantage of this mongrelization. He can go to any number of parades and ethnic celebrations. My legacy and commitment to him will be to marginalize his caucasoid and convince him to take advantage of his aggrieved, minority heritage.

I love this clip from Stripes - the first minute "We're Mutts!"

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[TIDE-HSV]

I guess I can use that in my next political campaign and also claim my piece of the pie to any Cherokee casino money.

They guard that like Ft. Knox, which it practically is. I offered to barter some legal services to the Eastern Band in exchange for admission but my buddy on the tribal council couldn't get it through. That was pre-casino days, also. I offered to waive any allotments. What many don't realize is that all of NE AL and northern GA were set aside as Cherokee Territory until 1838. Until the early 1830s, federal troops would go in and remove all excepting Cherokee, people whites married to Cherokee (mostly men) and a few traders and missionaries. IOW, if you're from north Alabama and your ancestors came into the state in the early 1800s and settled east of the Tennessee River, down to around where Jefferson County is now, then, by definition, you're part Cherokee. In my case, it showed up when I had my genome run, although it was not as much as I had expected. In the case of the genealogist, he's absolutely correct about the western Cherokee Nation. Every person who migrated was recorded. Of course, in every population of humans, there's a certain amount of "side-stepping." (The Germans have a word for it during Fasching - "Seitensprung.") From 1896 to 1913, there was a commission, the Dawes Commission which cataloged the eastern Cherokee, along with enrollment in the other four "civilized tribes." The commission was more or less in the business of trying to hold down enrollment, for financial reason. My family was turned down for having insufficient evidence. However, my Cherokee friends instantly recognize Indian features and say my uncle looks like a fullblood. I think I've posted a pic before, but here he is, along with my dad...

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

They guard that like Ft. Knox, which it practically is. I offered to barter some legal services to the Eastern Band in exchange for admission but my buddy on the tribal council couldn't get it through. That was pre-casino days, also. I offered to waive any allotments. What many don't realize is that all of NE AL and northern GA were set aside as Cherokee Territory until 1838. Until the early 1830s, federal troops would go in and remove all excepting Cherokee, people whites married to Cherokee (mostly men) and a few traders and missionaries. IOW, if you're from north Alabama and your ancestors came into the state in the early 1800s and settled east of the Tennessee River, down to around where Jefferson County is now, then, by definition, you're part Cherokee. In my case, it showed up when I had my genome run, although it was not as much as I had expected. In the case of the genealogist, he's absolutely correct about the western Cherokee Nation. Every person who migrated was recorded. Of course, in every population of humans, there's a certain amount of "side-stepping." (The Germans have a word for it during Fasching - "Seitensprung.") From 1896 to 1913, there was a commission, the Dawes Commission which cataloged the eastern Cherokee, along with enrollment in the other four "civilized tribes." The commission was more or less in the business of trying to hold down enrollment, for financial reason. My family was turned down for having insufficient evidence. However, my Cherokee friends instantly recognize Indian features and say my uncle looks like a fullblood. I think I've posted a pic before, but here he is, along with my dad...

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My father & great-grandfather looked full blooded with their jet black hair and dark skin. And yes, my family did settle down east of the Tennessee in N. Alabama. In fact, we have some Selfs that we descended from.

 

[Catfish]

My father & great-grandfather looked full blooded with their jet black hair and dark skin. And yes, my family did settle down east of the Tennessee in N. Alabama. In fact, we have some Selfs that we descended from.

I used to know some Selfs from the Birmingport area. Any relation?