Is APR still a thing?

[NoNC4Tubs]

Is APR no longer a thing?

I received no serious responses on a post on another thread so creating a new thread on this. This thread will probably die quickly, but this is a serious post and would appreciate some serious responses.

I see all of these portal guys going “visiting” these schools, but see absolutely no mention of academics.

So when these kids visit these other schools, do they just get a tour of the athletic facilities only and then go to the “negotiating room”?

It seems that the schools would be wanting to know what the kids Academics were and how it would affect the prospective schools overall APR Score.

I dated a girl in college that was a tutor. She was tutoring the star RB on the football team and told me that the kid was at a first-grade reading level. He didn’t attend class (he was assigned to one of mine and I never once saw him there). It really ticked me off that that he was taking a scholarship away from a kid that could have used it to get an education.

I had a student loan and had to work my way through college, so I have a somewhat personal interest in this view. Many kids that I went to high school with didn’t even have the opportunity that I had.

A few years ago they gave updates on APR scores and punished schools that were below a certain standard.

Are these APR standards still there? I don’t recall them ever being eliminated and have never seen any news stating that they had.

It sounds like the kids that are touring don’t even consider what academic programs the target schools have.

There really are kids that need these scholarships to get a good education and it really sucks that they are taken up by these kids whose parents are pushing for them to go for the “money”! (That in itself is a whole other thread to itself.)

By the way, that kid that only had that limited education never made it in the NFL and is most likely either digging ditches or dealing drugs.

If APR is still in effect, then I guess ALL of these schools are offering the same “curriculum” to streamline this whole process, but haven’t seen any mention of it.

Thoughts, anyone?

 

[CoolBreeze]

It was a jewel but a distant memory

 

[arthurdawg]

I remember back in the 1980s when all of the SEC teams would have 2-4 guys not qualify academically every year...

I can't recall the last time someone was "academically ineligible."

I don't think many of these kids attend class and do the work. It isn't all of them though, my oldest daughter went to Wake and she was in several classes with the starting QB and he was in class and quite intelligent.

 

[Tideflyer]

I could be wrong, but I think as recently as CNS’s tenure at Alabama, an integral part of the recruiting process was meeting key faculty members to discuss academic majors and programs. I would be VERY surprised if that’s still a thing. Maybe somebody knows.

 

[Tideflyer]

I remember back in the 1980s when all of the SEC teams would have 2-4 guys not qualify academically every year...

I can't recall the last time someone was "academically ineligible."

I don't think many of these kids attend class and do the work. It isn't all of them though, my oldest daughter went to Wake and she was in several classes with the starting QB and he was in class and quite intelligent.

“ I don’t think many of these kids attend class and do the work. “ That’s because that’s not why they’re here. Your pet Labrador retriever cares more about the University of Alabama than many ( most ? ) of these kids. I would love for somebody to prove me wrong on that. If they did, it might keep me from watching even less Alabama football next season than I did the one just concluded.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

Apparently it is still a thing. I have no idea what the standards are, the article refers to Akron scoring 914 against a minimum 930 score, but again, no idea how that is calculated. Akron was put on notice before the season started that they would be ineligible for the 2025 bowl season.

Akron can't play in '25 bowl over academic issue

The Akron football team will be ineligible for postseason play this season because of its multiyear Academic Progress Rate score.

www.espn.com

 

[mrusso]

So in most instances (where kid doesn't make it to the NFL) these players will graduate from college with a degree...quite likely a watered down degree because they did not attend class. Some will already have a leg up on the competition for jobs because they were a player for some CEOs favorite team. And the non-student athlete who had to attend class will be behind these highly compensated players in the job market. Yeh, let's pay the poor players more.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Apparently it is still a thing. I have no idea what the standards are, the article refers to Akron scoring 914 against a minimum 930 score, but again, no idea how that is calculated. Akron was put on notice before the season started that they would be ineligible for the 2025 bowl season.

Akron can't play in '25 bowl over academic issue

The Akron football team will be ineligible for postseason play this season because of its multiyear Academic Progress Rate score.

www.espn.com

Interesting!

Anyone notice that there is no mention of transcripts when kids "visit" their target schools.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

So APR can be found here:APR Search

Interesting that the latest data is for 2023-2024.

2024-2025 is not a search option, so I wonder if it is still in effect.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

Here is how it is calculated.

Academic Progress Rate Explained

Academic Progress Rate Explained What is the APR and how is it calculated?

www.ncaa.org

Looking at this, I wonder how the portal and players leaving early for NFL impacts this when teams lose 30-40 percent of their eligible players every year.

Edit - apparently transfers and early departure count in the “left program while eligible” bucket. Using their example as a base but recalculating using 55 as the eligible number at the end of the season that stayed and saying the 30 left the program via the portal or as early departures to the NFL and not dropping anyone out who was academically ineligible yields a score of 824. 110 of 110 (55 retained) for the season, 30 of 60 for the departures. (110+30)/(110+60)*1000

I think the reason you are not seeing the Akron situation hit any major programs yet is because it is a 4 year average score. Looks like this will be a problem at almost every FBS school soon.

 

[bamamc1]

Annual Percentage Rate?

 

[davefrat]

Is APR no longer a thing?

I received no serious responses on a post on another thread so creating a new thread on this. This thread will probably die quickly, but this is a serious post and would appreciate some serious responses.

I see all of these portal guys going “visiting” these schools, but see absolutely no mention of academics.

So when these kids visit these other schools, do they just get a tour of the athletic facilities only and then go to the “negotiating room”?

It seems that the schools would be wanting to know what the kids Academics were and how it would affect the prospective schools overall APR Score.

I dated a girl in college that was a tutor. She was tutoring the star RB on the football team and told me that the kid was at a first-grade reading level. He didn’t attend class (he was assigned to one of mine and I never once saw him there). It really ticked me off that that he was taking a scholarship away from a kid that could have used it to get an education.

I had a student loan and had to work my way through college, so I have a somewhat personal interest in this view. Many kids that I went to high school with didn’t even have the opportunity that I had.

A few years ago they gave updates on APR scores and punished schools that were below a certain standard.

Are these APR standards still there? I don’t recall them ever being eliminated and have never seen any news stating that they had.

It sounds like the kids that are touring don’t even consider what academic programs the target schools have.

There really are kids that need these scholarships to get a good education and it really sucks that they are taken up by these kids whose parents are pushing for them to go for the “money”! (That in itself is a whole other thread to itself.)

By the way, that kid that only had that limited education never made it in the NFL and is most likely either digging ditches or dealing drugs.

If APR is still in effect, then I guess ALL of these schools are offering the same “curriculum” to streamline this whole process, but haven’t seen any mention of it.

Thoughts, anyone?

When headlines are "Player A Re-signs with School A" what's the point of them even being students any longer?

I went to college and grad school for over a decade and never once did I, as a student, "re-sign" to come back the following year to study.

Just can the APR and the whole "student-athlete" nonsense. Sign them to professional contracts that have some controls over how the relationship works, how the parties can get out of it if they want, penalties for breach and so on.

It's professional football now...treat it as such.

 

[mdb-tpet]

Is APR no longer a thing?

I received no serious responses on a post on another thread so creating a new thread on this. This thread will probably die quickly, but this is a serious post and would appreciate some serious responses.

I see all of these portal guys going “visiting” these schools, but see absolutely no mention of academics.

So when these kids visit these other schools, do they just get a tour of the athletic facilities only and then go to the “negotiating room”?

It seems that the schools would be wanting to know what the kids Academics were and how it would affect the prospective schools overall APR Score.

I dated a girl in college that was a tutor. She was tutoring the star RB on the football team and told me that the kid was at a first-grade reading level. He didn’t attend class (he was assigned to one of mine and I never once saw him there). It really ticked me off that that he was taking a scholarship away from a kid that could have used it to get an education.

I had a student loan and had to work my way through college, so I have a somewhat personal interest in this view. Many kids that I went to high school with didn’t even have the opportunity that I had.

A few years ago they gave updates on APR scores and punished schools that were below a certain standard.

Are these APR standards still there? I don’t recall them ever being eliminated and have never seen any news stating that they had.

It sounds like the kids that are touring don’t even consider what academic programs the target schools have.

There really are kids that need these scholarships to get a good education and it really sucks that they are taken up by these kids whose parents are pushing for them to go for the “money”! (That in itself is a whole other thread to itself.)

By the way, that kid that only had that limited education never made it in the NFL and is most likely either digging ditches or dealing drugs.

If APR is still in effect, then I guess ALL of these schools are offering the same “curriculum” to streamline this whole process, but haven’t seen any mention of it.

Thoughts, anyone?

Vince Young says hi! He's been given a "special assistant" position just because he won the program an NC.

 

[Methylred]

Isn't it about time to drop the whole "student athlete" charade, at least for the big money sports?

Maybe we could call it "university-affiliated professional athletics" or some such.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Here is how it is calculated.

Academic Progress Rate Explained

Academic Progress Rate Explained What is the APR and how is it calculated?

www.ncaa.org

Looking at this, I wonder how the portal and players leaving early for NFL impacts this when teams lose 30-40 percent of their eligible players every year.

Edit - apparently transfers and early departure count in the “left program while eligible” bucket. Using their example as a base but recalculating using 55 as the eligible number at the end of the season that stayed and saying the 30 left the program via the portal or as early departures to the NFL and not dropping anyone out who was academically ineligible yields a score of 824. 110 of 110 (55 retained) for the season, 30 of 60 for the departures. (110+30)/(110+60)*1000

I think the reason you are not seeing the Akron situation hit any major programs yet is because it is a 4 year average score. Looks like this will be a problem at almost every FBS school soon.

Thank you, Snuffy

Every one seems to be ignoring this until it hits the fan...!

 

[Snuffy Smith]

Thank you, Snuffy

Every one seems to be ignoring this until it hits the fan...!

Or maybe another one of those rules that gets ignored like players wearing short shorts for football pants

 

[BamaNation]

IF you can't get your degree at a P4 school these days, it's because you absolutely did nothing or you're dumber than a box of rocks. The resources these schools now put into the academic support side is amazing. Tutors, monitors, study rooms, etc etc etc. If the general student population was as lucky as these guys, ...

That said, I don't know how guys to transfer more than once stay eligible.

Frankly, I don't even really care if they get a degree from an academic eligibility standpoint.

For me, it's the academic side that bonds you to your university. Shared struggle in the classroom, great professors, fellow students, etc. The guys who seriously embrace the academic opportunities are the ones who stay and get more out of their experience.

As an FYI, Alabama's APR is in the top 3.

 

[davefrat]

IF you can't get your degree at a P4 school these days, it's because you absolutely did nothing or you're dumber than a box of rocks. The resources these schools now put into the academic support side is amazing. Tutors, monitors, study rooms, etc etc etc. If the general student population was as lucky as these guys, ...

That said, I don't know how guys to transfer more than once stay eligible.

Frankly, I don't even really care if they get a degree from an academic eligibility standpoint.

For me, it's the academic side that bonds you to your university. Shared struggle in the classroom, great professors, fellow students, etc. The guys who seriously embrace the academic opportunities are the ones who stay and get more out of their experience.

As an FYI, Alabama's APR is in the top 3.

I was a teaching assistant at Bama in the mid 90's and had several athletes in my classes.

Some of them were actually students in the sense that they came to class and did their work, but it depended largely on what sport. I had some football players and basketball players and many of them had no business being in college.

True story although may be hard to believe, but one of the players who shall remain nameless actually misspelled his own last name on his papers...let that sink in.

I know because it was spelled one way on my student roster, the gameday program and his jersey and he left out one of the "s" in his name.

He was a very nice and respectful young man, but I think he was pretty much functionally illiterate.