Is it Really the Time to Consider Firing CKD???

[AussieTy]

Saban’s early SEC teams looked FAR more prepared. There is absolutely reason to doubt CKD at this point.

8-4 year 1 and 10-3 Year 2 after starting 2-2 (which included struggling against Utah Sate).

I'll continue to argue that inheriting this Bama team is a tough task.

 

[countrytider]

8-4 year 1 and 10-3 Year 2 after starting 2-2 (which included struggling against Utah Sate).

I'll continue to argue that inheriting this Bama team is a tough task.

I appreciate your optimism. But DeBoer is losing to teams with half the talent. Out of the 5 losses, he only gets a pass losing @ Tennessee last season.

The other 4 losses were as double digit favorites to overmatched teams.

How do you explain this away? Is this not major red flags that he may not be up for the job in the SEC?

 

[AussieTy]

I appreciate your optimism. But DeBoer is losing to teams with half the talent. Out of the 5 losses, he only gets a pass losing @ Tennessee last season.

The other 4 losses were as double digit favorites to overmatched teams.

How do you explain this away? Is this not major red flags that he may not be up for the job in the SEC?

We should also mention that he beat UGA, emptied Death Valley at night, shut out Mizzou and beat our biggest rivals comfortably.

All while receiving very little help from his QB and his OC. Vandy was on the defense but it may have been a different story if Milroe didn't hand them the early momentum with a pick. Tennessee was very much on Milroe, missed guys all game. Oklahoma was a bit of both but three points says a lot about Milroe and Sheridan.

 

[crimsonaudio]

8-4 year 1 and 10-3 Year 2 after starting 2-2 (which included struggling against Utah Sate).

I'll continue to argue that inheriting this Bama team is a tough task.

I didn’t say they had a better record, I said they looked far more prepared. None of Saban’s teams ever looked soft at LSU or Bama. They didn’t always execute at the highest level but the effort was there.

 

[some_al_fan]

The idea that anyone performing at this level is okay settling for the money is pretty funny.

I guarantee DeBoer wants to win, look awesome doing so, etc.

Whether he knows how to in the SEC is the question.

It depends on the meaning of the word "want".
Is he willing to work 16 hours 7 days a week to win?
Or like my son said "DeBoer looks like a 9 till 5 guy"...
Of course, he doesn't mind to win, but we have not seen any indications so far that he really "wants" to win

 

[crimsonaudio]

It depends of the meaning of the word "want".
Is he willing to work 16 hours 7 days a week to win?
Or like my son said "DeBoer looks like a 9 till 5 guy"...
Of course, he doesn't mind to win, but we have not seen any indications so far that he really "wants" to win

100% - just saying he’s not okay with just collecting the check. He wants to win. Whether or not he knows (or is willing to commit to) what is required at this level remains to be seen.

 

[Coach D]

We should also mention that he beat UGA, emptied Death Valley at night, shut out Mizzou and beat our biggest rivals comfortably.

All while receiving very little help from his QB and his OC. Vandy was on the defense but it may have been a different story if Milroe didn't hand them the early momentum with a pick. Tennessee was very much on Milroe, missed guys all game. Oklahoma was a bit of both but three points says a lot about Milroe and Sheridan.

To be fair if I remember right they were missing their QB and starting RB. LSU had one of the worst D in the country but will give our D credit for stopping them. But more credit might need to go to Milroe for the offense last year if they don’t perform better this year but time will tell. Vandy was def a team loss. OU was team loss but the offense side was terrible Milroe that game. Barn stuck last year, bama couldn’t score in 4th. Game was not solid against a bad team.

honestly it seems like you are trolling on here with so many replies on threads and talking out both sides of mouth. Maybe not but you are everywhere and arguing with everyone lol

 

[bamajas]

We should also mention that he beat UGA, emptied Death Valley at night, shut out Mizzou and beat our biggest rivals comfortably.

All while receiving very little help from his QB and his OC. Vandy was on the defense but it may have been a different story if Milroe didn't hand them the early momentum with a pick. Tennessee was very much on Milroe, missed guys all game. Oklahoma was a bit of both but three points says a lot about Milroe and Sheridan.

What's the rationalization for USF, UGA 2nd half, SoCar, and Barn last year?

The "how we've looked" standard involves more than the losses

"Play hard every play until the end" has been the exception, not the standard

 

[bamajas]

8-4 year 1 and 10-3 Year 2 after starting 2-2 (which included struggling against Utah Sate).

I'll continue to argue that inheriting this Bama team is a tough task.

Was it tougher than what he walked into at Washington?

 

[alabama mike1]

No, it is NOT time to fire anyone yet. Bama has played one game! Granted, there is no excuse for the complete lack of performance. Bama is not Washington, its not San Jose St or some NAIA school. There is a standard and expectation here that is not like very many other places. With that said, we should not be dominated like we were last Saturday on both sides of the ball. Players not hustling should not be tolerated.

I can handle getting beat by a team. I cannot handle the way this game and the ones against Oklahoma and Vanderbilt happened last year. Where is the intensity of the players and coaches? Why do we not play well on the road? Why do we get the same"Coach speak" after every lose? CKD, you are not in Kansas anymore. I wish you the very best sir. Regroup, refocus and get the team where it needs to be.

 

[cdub55]

I would hope that he wants to win football games more than add a few extra dollars to his net worth. I know I would care more about winning than making money if I were in his shoes. That being said, it is an arms race for these coaches and you have to be all in on your coaching hire. If you aren't all in (and by that I mean the high salary and buyout) then your recruits will know this and not want to come because they fear a coaching change during their tenure.

I hope he fixes this mess for multiple reasons. One of them being I don't think I could stand watching him sitting behind the desk and talking about the game like every single fired coach does immediately afterwards at halftime. I would expect it to go something like this...

Tim Brando: LSU firing up the deep fryer and serving up corndogs to the Kentucky Wildcats in the first half! Wildcats looking more like kitty cats and if Coach Stoops doesn't get them fired up in the locker room at halftime this one is going to get out of hand real fast!!!!! Coach, what does the Cats need to do to get on track!?!?

CKD: You know, he just has to get in there and, ughhh, tell the guys, look we are 4 possessions away from, you know, tying this thing up. But its only going to get fixed, ughhh, one play at a time and we have to, you know, focus on, you know, the next play and then the play after that, you know, and, ughhh, just stack up plays, one play at a time, stack em up, you know. The coaches, ughhh, believe in their guys and, ughhh, they just got to go out and, ughhh, execute at a high level.

Brando: Absolutely. Coach, what adjustments does Kentucky need to make?

CKD: I'm sure the coaches have prepared the guys to see, you know, offensively and defensively, what they are seeing out there. I know Coach Stoops does a great job and has his guys locked in on, ughhh, what they are doing, but ughhh, they just got to, you know, get there a little faster. They just have to trust, you know, what they are seeing and, ughhh, stacking up plays. Guys gotta, they gotta, day in and day out, ughhh, in the second half, ughhh, you know, not be hesitant, ughhh, defensive guys setting the edge, you know just focus on doing your job. You know on offense just got to, ughhh, find a way to get 7 points on the board and get that belief and confidence back. Got to be intentional on what they are trying to accomplish on every rep on, ughhh, effort and execution. You know really intentional. Ughhh, you know, just leave it all on the field and ughhh, you do that, you know, you let the chips fall where they may.

Brando: **Passes Out**

 

[Valley View]

Was the video of players having some type of happy dance in the locker room after the game really true?? I didn't believe it, but who knows in this era.

 

[BamaHoopsBoi]

I hope he fixes this mess for multiple reasons. One of them being I don't think I could stand watching him during halftime sitting behind the desk and talking about the game like every single fired coach does immediately afterwards at halftime. I would expect it to go something like this...

Tim Brando: LSU firing up the deep fryer and serving up corndogs to the Kentucky Wildcats in the first half! Wildcats looking more like kitty cats and if Coach Stoops doesn't get them fired up in the locker room at halftime this one is going to get out of hand real fast!!!!! Coach, what does the Cats need to do to get on track!?!?

CKD: You know, he just has to get in there and, ughhh, tell the guys, look we are 4 possessions away from, you know, tying this thing up. But its only going to get fixed, ughhh, one play at a time and we have to, you know, focus on, you know, the next play and then the play after that, you know, and, ughhh, just stack up plays, one play at a time, stack em up, you know. The coaches, ughhh, believe in their guys and, ughhh, they just got to go out and, ughhh, execute at a high level.

Brando: Absolutely. Coach, what adjustments does Kentucky need to make?

CKD: I'm sure the coaches have prepared the guys to see, you know, offensively and defensively, what they are seeing out there. I know Coach Stoops does a great job and has his guys locked in on, ughhh, what they are doing, but ughhh, they just got to, you know, get there a little faster. They just have to trust, you know, what they are seeing and, ughhh, stacking up plays. Guys gotta, they gotta, day in and day out, ughhh, in the second half, ughhh, you know, not be hesitant, ughhh, defensive guys setting the edge, you know just focus on doing your job. You know on offense just got to, ughhh, find a way to get 7 points on the board and get that belief and confidence back. Got to be intentional on what they are trying to accomplish on every rep on, ughhh, effort and execution. You know really intentional. Ughhh, you know, just leave it all on the field and ughhh, you do that, you know, you let the chips fall where they may.

Brando: **Passes Out**

I just hope that he doesn't talk to the team this way.. I can only listen for so long without completely tuning out.

 

[cdub55]

Well maybe it's just me but I'd prefer my players to do whatever they want and be themselves. Wanna bring a stuffed animal to the game? Go for it. Wanna show up in a monochrome suit like Smitty did at the SB? Go for it.

It doesn't matter. Analyze the players' on-field performance. Analyze their attitude. Don't analyze stuff like this though.

Doing "whatever you want" is the recipe for failure in the game of football. No one wants to throw on 20 pounds of pads in 105 degree heat and hustle until they puke. NO ONE! The one's who are successful in this game are the one's that are pushed beyond "what they want" and are made to do what is best for them individually and the team to be successful. Maybe touching the line on gassers (sprints) isn't important to you, but the great teams are great at the minute details. You do the little things and the double teams start to happen. You do the little things and you start seeing guys setting the edge and being physical on kickout blocks. Alabama hasn't had less penalty yards than the opposing team in a single game since Deboer has been the coach. We need less of "whatever they want" and more of THIS IS HOW WE ARE DOING IT!

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Doing "whatever you want" is the recipe for failure in the game of football. No one wants to throw on 20 pounds of pads in 105 degree heat and hustle until they puke. NO ONE! The one's who are successful in this game are the one's that are pushed beyond "what they want" and are made to do what is best for them individually and the team to be successful. Maybe touching the line on gassers (sprints) isn't important to you, but the great teams are great at the minute details. You do the little things and the double teams start to happen. You do the little things and you start seeing guys setting the edge and being physical on kickout blocks. Alabama hasn't had less penalty yards than the opposing team in a single game since Deboer has been the coach. We need less of "whatever they want" and more of THIS IS HOW WE ARE DOING IT!

Yeah, letting them "do whatever they want and be themselves" is a horrible idea for any sports team. It's a recipe for utter disaster.

 

[BAMARICH]

What's the rationalization for USF, UGA 2nd half, SoCar, and Barn last year?

The "how we've looked" standard involves more than the losses

"Play hard every play until the end" has been the exception, not the standard

There is a possible answer to that question... but no one wants to hear it. The most insightful thing I've heard this entire week was from CKD's Monday presser. Here's the part it came from.

"It's just, again, these guys have already shown me yesterday how bad they want it, and how they're going to respond. I really feel like the tone in the locker room after the game, at least from my standpoint and how I can address the team is completely different than a year ago. We don't need to speak in those terms, but it feels different."

Note the phrase "how I can address the team is completely different than a year ago". This suggests that though he would liked to have addressed these things last year, his hands were tied to some degree. What would have caused his hands to be tied??? Based on what's been talked about on this board for the past year, there's an elephant in the room (no pun intended) that would have hindered his ability to discipline players as he wished.

Though that's been talked about ad nauseam, it goes back further than the coaching changeover. In the last year of CNS's tenure, we had a game where players "withheld" effort because they didn't support the player personnel moves... and they not only got away with it, but it was rewarded because things were "back to normal" the next week. At least from that point forward, a dangerous precedence was set and a culture becomes established.

I agree defensive philosophy/defensive player personnel have a lot to do with our problems and I don't know that all of that can be fixed during a season. But to me, the bigger problem is that CKD possibly inherited a situation where players were allowed to dictate what happens on the team and he didn't have a "right" to change it. That is, until this season. Practically speaking, this means this year (not last) is really "his first year" at the helm. It also means the FSU game is the first game that he can truly start holding all players accountable for their performances. IF this is factual, the biggest questions now become "does CKD have the moxie to demand that accountability" and "how will these players who have become accustomed to this situation react to the accountability that CKD he'll demand?"

 

[selmaborntidefan]

We should also mention that he beat UGA,

After blowing all of a 30-7 lead.

emptied Death Valley at night,

To a team that also lost to 7-6 USC and two 8-5 teams.

But even that team was able to blow both Vandy and Oklahoma off the field.

I'll give you a hint:
what do our games last year against Georgia and LSU have in common?
They were the two games where we had an off week prior to the game.

shut out Mizzou

who were missing both their starting QB and RB and were held to 10 points by aTm.

and beat our biggest rivals comfortably.

We now boast about beating a 5-7 Auburn in a game that means everything to them and nothing to us?

All while receiving very little help from his QB and his OC.

In the games you cite advocating "look who we beat," that quarterback you say didn't help:
- accounted for 73% of the offense against LSU and 28 points of the 29 point final score
- accounted for 89% of the offense against UGA and 4 TDs in a game won by one TD
- accounted for 54% of the offense in a 34-0 blowout
- accounted for 78% of the offense and 3 TDs in a game we won by 2 TDs

It's preposterous to suggest we won those games without Milroe or the OC doing much. In those four games we AVERAGED 478.5 yards per game (with a low of 420).

Vandy was on the defense but it may have been a different story if Milroe didn't hand them the early momentum with a pick.

Didn't see the game. Glad I didn't.

Tennessee was very much on Milroe, missed guys all game. Oklahoma was a bit of both but three points says a lot about Milroe and Sheridan.

Milroe is gone, though, and we lost to Florida State.

The days of blaming Milroe for not doing enough in the games he won and losing games for us are over.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Coaches like Pete Carroll and Nick Saban just don't fall out of the tree every day.

I can't think of any active coach right now that has the same stature as Saban's.

I wonder if Kalen Deboer now appreciates what was said to him on his hire: "Welcome to the SEC".

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Coaches like Pete Carroll and Nick Saban just don't fall out of the tree every day.

I can't think of any active coach right now that has the same stature as Saban's.

I wonder if Kalen Deboer now appreciates what was said to him on his hire: "Welcome to the SEC".

I'm convinced the head coach and the two coordinators had no idea what it meant to coach in the SEC and have been slammed in the face with culture shock. You can tell by his press conferences DeBoer is shook up, Wommack is borderline defensive and Grubb is saying Proctor had a "good game" last weekend. All signs point to "uh oh, what have we gotten into".

 

[Its On A Slab]

I'm convinced the head coach and the two coordinators had no idea what it meant to coach in the SEC and have been slammed in the face with culture shock. You can tell by his press conferences DeBoer is shook up, Wommack is borderline defensive and Grubb is saying Proctor had a "good game" last weekend. All signs point to "uh oh, what have we gotten into".

All true. The energy, the expectations that came with Coach Saban. It's all gone.

Those schools out West are not used to a conference like this. Heck, even Vandy can beat you if you aren't paying attention. As in Bama last yr. Ask Texas and Missouri from last year, having to eek out a win in the 4th qtr.