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Israel Begins Gas Mask Distribution to Citizens

I don't think there's a snowball's chance that Israel will tolerate a nuclear Iran. They have everything to lose.

I just wonder if Israel can strike enough targets to cripple Iran's nuclear ambitions.
 
1st - They all hate Israel.

2nd - They all hate each other.

Israel is not about to sit around and let Iran get nuclear bombs. Sad to say, but they can't depend on the U.S. to help them, not this administration. Israel will have to go it alone.

This is not the first time they have distributed gas masks, but something is about to break.
 
First, consider the source. Israel National News is an overtly religious Zionist media outlet, so they're likely to exaggerate the level of tension and sensationalize reports.

Crimson Speed said:
Sad to say, but they can't depend on the U.S. to help them, not this administration.
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How exactly would helping Israel bomb Iran be a good idea for anybody?

Think about the ramifications of a strike on Iran. The Israeli attack on Osiraq in 1981 occurred when the Iraqis weren't close to having actual WMD yet and were distracted by the Iran-Iraq War.

Let's say this insane little pre-emptive plan actually beats the odds and works. What will Israel do in four years when the Iranians just rebuild the damn thing undergound or in a far more secure location? What happens to the chances for real democratic change in Iran once they are under attack by a foreign enemy and have the same "rally around the flag" effect that we had in our country post 9/11? What happens in terms of the inevitable retaliation against Israel by Hizbollah, et al?

The world isn't ending, and the leaders of Israel and Iran aren't as nuts as they seem. We might not like Iran having nukes, but that day will come and there's not a darn thing we can do about it.

The good news is that we can probably sit back and watch the current regime in Iran disintegrate over the next ten years or so as long as we don't do anything monumentally stupid... like authorizing or assisting an Israeli bombing run.
 
Giant Squid said:
First, consider the source. Israel National News is an overtly religious Zionist media outlet, so they're likely to exaggerate the level of tension and sensationalize reports.



How exactly would helping Israel bomb Iran be a good idea for anybody?

Think about the ramifications of a strike on Iran. The Israeli attack on Osiraq in 1981 occurred when the Iraqis weren't close to having actual WMD yet and were distracted by the Iran-Iraq War.

Let's say this insane little pre-emptive plan actually beats the odds and works. What will Israel do in four years when the Iranians just rebuild the damn thing undergound or in a far more secure location? What happens to the chances for real democratic change in Iran once they are under attack by a foreign enemy and have the same "rally around the flag" effect that we had in our country post 9/11? What happens in terms of the inevitable retaliation against Israel by Hizbollah, et al?

The world isn't ending, and the leaders of Israel and Iran aren't as nuts as they seem. We might not like Iran having nukes, but that day will come and there's not a darn thing we can do about it.

The good news is that we can probably sit back and watch the current regime in Iran disintegrate over the next ten years or so as long as we don't do anything monumentally stupid... like authorizing or assisting an Israeli bombing run.
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+1

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Giant Squid said:
First, consider the source. Israel National News is an overtly religious Zionist media outlet, so they're likely to exaggerate the level of tension and sensationalize reports.



How exactly would helping Israel bomb Iran be a good idea for anybody?

Think about the ramifications of a strike on Iran. The Israeli attack on Osiraq in 1981 occurred when the Iraqis weren't close to having actual WMD yet and were distracted by the Iran-Iraq War.

Let's say this insane little pre-emptive plan actually beats the odds and works. What will Israel do in four years when the Iranians just rebuild the damn thing undergound or in a far more secure location? What happens to the chances for real democratic change in Iran once they are under attack by a foreign enemy and have the same "rally around the flag" effect that we had in our country post 9/11? What happens in terms of the inevitable retaliation against Israel by Hizbollah, et al?

The world isn't ending, and the leaders of Israel and Iran aren't as nuts as they seem. We might not like Iran having nukes, but that day will come and there's not a darn thing we can do about it.

The good news is that we can probably sit back and watch the current regime in Iran disintegrate over the next ten years or so as long as we don't do anything monumentally stupid... like authorizing or assisting an Israeli bombing run.
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Neither can Israel afford to sit on it's haunches and let a sworn enemy continue to arm itself to the teeth and prepare for it's ultimate objective which is the very destruction of Israel.
They have the right to protect their own existence as a free society. I don't think Israel's objective is to harm innocent civilians, but rather to "take away the stick".
 
Bama Reb said:
Neither can Israel afford to sit on it's haunches and let a sworn enemy continue to arm itself to the teeth and prepare for it's ultimate objective which is the very destruction of Israel.
They have the right to protect their own existence as a free society. I don't think Israel's objective is to harm innocent civilians, but rather to "take away the stick".
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1. By this logic, Iran has the right to pre-emptively attack Israel right now in response to the threat of being bombed on their own soil by the Israelis. No nation has the right to pre-emptive war based on speculative future scenarios.

2. Israel already has a nuclear stockpile to deter any WMD attack. The people in charge of Iran know that any such attack on Israel, filtered through Hizbollah or otherwise, would be national suicide. The continued existence of Israel is not in doubt here.

3. Once again...

What will Israel do in four years when the Iranians just rebuild the damn thing undergound or in a far more secure location? What happens to the chances for real democratic change in Iran once they are under attack by a foreign enemy and have the same "rally around the flag" effect that we had in our country post 9/11? What happens in terms of the inevitable retaliation against Israel by Hizbollah, et al?
 
Giant Squid said:
How exactly would helping Israel bomb Iran be a good idea for anybody?

Think about the ramifications of a strike on Iran. The Israeli attack on Osiraq in 1981 occurred when the Iraqis weren't close to having actual WMD yet and were distracted by the Iran-Iraq War.

Let's say this insane little pre-emptive plan actually beats the odds and works. What will Israel do in four years when the Iranians just rebuild the damn thing undergound or in a far more secure location? What happens to the chances for real democratic change in Iran once they are under attack by a foreign enemy and have the same "rally around the flag" effect that we had in our country post 9/11? What happens in terms of the inevitable retaliation against Israel by Hizbollah, et al?

The world isn't ending, and the leaders of Israel and Iran aren't as nuts as they seem. We might not like Iran having nukes, but that day will come and there's not a darn thing we can do about it.

The good news is that we can probably sit back and watch the current regime in Iran disintegrate over the next ten years or so as long as we don't do anything monumentally stupid... like authorizing or assisting an Israeli bombing run.
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You given reasons why the US should not be overtly involved in a strike on Iran, and I agree.

However, if you were governing Israel would you be so passive considering the ramifications of a nuclear enemy who has sworn to destroy you and openly funds terrorists groups at your border? Iranian leadership seems willing to trade nuke with Israel. If that's the case survival may mean a pre-emptive strike.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You given reasons why the US should not be overtly involved in a strike on Iran, and I agree.

However, if you were governing Israel would you be so passive considering the ramifications of a nuclear enemy who has sworn to destroy you and openly funds terrorists groups at your border? Iranian leadership seems willing to trade nuke with Israel. If that's the case survival may mean a pre-emptive strike.
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I agree the the U.S. has to be careful with this situation. But, Iran has made it clear, they want to destroy the nation of Israel. Not just defeat them, they want to annihilate them. Israel has never threatened to wipe Iran off the map. How long does Israel stand by and let Iran get fully armed with nukes? No doubt, Iran's leadership is crazy enough to launch nukes against Israel, regardless of the consequences, even if it starts a third world war.

The U.S. could support Israel, behind the scenes. Within the last few weeks, news revealed that we declined a request to sell Israel our latest bunker buster bombs. If Iran has buried their uranium centrufuges deep underground, they are relatively safe against conventional bombs. I'm just sayin.........Obama has not befriended Israel.
 
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if i were benevolent dictator of israel, i would make a few phone calls to the highest levels of the nearby muslim countries and explain to them in no uncertain terms that if iran cooks a nuke off over israel then there will be a nuke cooked off in each of their capitals as well. the leadership in iran dont care if their country is wiped off the face of the earth. however all the other surrounding countries would care about their own country and would therefore take a more serious approach to iran.
 
Giant Squid said:
1. By this logic, Iran has the right to pre-emptively attack Israel right now in response to the threat of being bombed on their own soil by the Israelis. No nation has the right to pre-emptive war based on speculative future scenarios.

2. Israel already has a nuclear stockpile to deter any WMD attack. The people in charge of Iran know that any such attack on Israel, filtered through Hizbollah or otherwise, would be national suicide. The continued existence of Israel is not in doubt here.
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Neville? Is that you?
 
Bodhisattva said:
You given reasons why the US should not be overtly involved in a strike on Iran, and I agree.

However, if you were governing Israel would you be so passive considering the ramifications of a nuclear enemy who has sworn to destroy you and openly funds terrorists groups at your border? Iranian leadership seems willing to trade nuke with Israel. If that's the case survival may mean a pre-emptive strike.
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I see your point, but I don't agree that the Iranian leadership seems willing to trade nukes with Israel. I think Ahmadinejad's anti-Israel rhetoric is just propaganda. In fact, I'd bet the Iranian leadership would like Israel to stay right where it is. Consider this:

1. Israel can be tolerated indefinitely. It does not have the goal of destroying Iran or expanding into its territory.

2. As long as Israel is around, there's a convenient scapegoat for anything that goes wrong and any opponent of the regime can be effectively branded as an Israeli agent.

3. A war isn't necessary. The Iranian government can gain cred with hardliners by continuing to fund Hizbollah and publicly opposing the occupation of Palestinian territory. This way, the government gets all the PR and "rally round the flag" benefits of war without having to waste lives and money actually fighting those "evil Zionist monsters."

The Iranians are well aware that any nuclear attack on Israel would be met in kind. Do you really think they want to get rid of Israel, a state that is not a threat to their continued existence, bad enough that they will kill millions of their own people to do it?

Don't buy into the propaganda. I think Ahmadinejad learned from Nixon that there's a lot of value in the "Oooh, I'm so crazy I just might nuke somebody if you rattle my cage too much" card.
 
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