Issues in Education

[Bamabuzzard]

Quite honestly I don’t ever believe parents like that. Most actually concerned parents don’t go as public with it. Usually there is an ulterior motive behind it.

This case should be very easy to prove or disprove Have the parents just produce the certificate. If the parents can produce the certificate, then I think at that point questions need to be asked to the teacher by the principal. If the teacher denies giving the kid the certificate, then ask the kids in the class.

 

[81usaf92]

This case should be very easy to prove or disprove Have the parents just produce the certificate. If the parents can produce the certificate, then I think at that point questions need to be asked to the teacher by the principal. If the teacher denies giving the kid the certificate, then ask the kids in the class.

I looked it up. It was a 23 case in which the State of Florida got involved in and there was some merit to it.

But my larger point is that going to Board Meetings to complain about teachers and administrators is largely more ineffective than just going to the principal or someone in central office. Most of the time you won’t even be allowed to talk and other times you’ll just be looked as someone preventing the board members from getting home.

But even if you had said certificate… the obvious question would be “how do we know that you didn’t print that out”. Like I stated earlier I have had parents totally make up stuff to try to make their complaint seem more serious. There are more cases like that than what many believe. Also asking the kids is a non starter to begin with in these cases. That’s why formal investigations are necessary otherwise good teachers would be constantly kneeling to the popular rich girl in school.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

My response to this old story is that if the allegations are true, the teacher should be fired.

Also, those who use incidents like this to smear the entire public education system are beneath contempt. One has the feeling that they would never do the same to the entire Christian community for pedophilia or all police officers for brutality.

If only human beings were wired this way, this world would be a better place. But this just "ain't" how we operate. Depending on our biases toward or against groups, organizations, or people, will depend on how much grace, benefit of the doubt or lack there of we give out. But it's normally very, very inconsistent regardless.

 

[alabama mike1]

This requires a ton of paperwork. Typically, an administrator will know which student(s) need to be in an alternative setup, and the only way they can collect the necessary paperwork to justify the move is to build a case file on misbehavior in the general education setting. I'm sure it's related to passing the burden of proof in a federal lawsuit if one were to bring one, but it definitely takes away from students who do want to learn in the meantime.

A lot of federal caselaw up to this point have centered on issues of gaining students more equal access in the classroom. I wonder if there will be new caselaw on cases where a student's constant misbehavior in the classroom takes away their right to equal access to a quality education. It'd be a discussion on where one's rights end and another begins.

It does require documentation of all disciplinary actions, phone calls to the parent/guardian and what action(s) the classroom teacher has tried. We use a system called Swiss. Every teacher that has a specific child has access to that particular student. Of course, I have accetto everyone.

I am allowed to place a student into an alternative school as I deem necessary. The one thing that all administrators have to be careful of are the students who are identified in ANY special education category. Just because they leave the regular school setting does not excuse the fact that those students still receive special education services by an intervention/special education teacher. That is federal law that must be followed.

 

[arthurdawg]

I looked it up. It was a 23 case in which the State of Florida got involved in and there was some merit to it.

But my larger point is that going to Board Meetings to complain about teachers and administrators is largely more ineffective than just going to the principal or someone in central office. Most of the time you won’t even be allowed to talk and other times you’ll just be looked as someone preventing the board members from getting home.

But even if you had said certificate… the obvious question would be “how do we know that you didn’t print that out”. Like I stated earlier I have had parents totally make up stuff to try to make their complaint seem more serious. There are more cases like that than what many believe. Also asking the kids is a non starter to begin with in these cases. That’s why formal investigations are necessary otherwise good teachers would be constantly kneeling to the popular rich girl in school.

Yes... Too many of these cases are made up by the crazy parents and simply not true.

But the outrage machine on the cancer known as social media will play them as true until disproven without a mention or recantation once they are (usually) found to be false.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I looked it up. It was a 23 case in which the State of Florida got involved in and there was some merit to it.

But my larger point is that going to Board Meetings to complain about teachers and administrators is largely more ineffective than just going to the principal or someone in central office. Most of the time you won’t even be allowed to talk and other times you’ll just be looked as someone preventing the board members from getting home.

But even if you had said certificate… the obvious question would be “how do we know that you didn’t print that out”. Like I stated earlier I have had parents totally make up stuff to try to make their complaint seem more serious. There are more cases like that than what many believe. Also asking the kids is a non starter to begin with in these cases. That’s why formal investigations are necessary otherwise good teachers would be constantly kneeling to the popular rich girl in school.

That's basically what I was suggesting. Investigate and to investigate it you have to ask questions, even if it means asking the kids. Require people to give their answers, gather all the evidence necessary and make a decision. This case didn't seem to have a lot of moving parts, so the investigation shouldn't have taken long.