Issues/Questions Related to CFP Rankings

[RollTide_HTTR]

My issue isn't even with Oregon although I do have an issue with them being above Texas. My issue is FSU.

FSU has no business in the playoffs even with Jordan Travis. But without him it's even more stark.

 

[CB4]

I'm not sure if a win against Georgia is enough even if FSU loses.

I think it'll take FSU and Texas losing.

If just FSU loses, the way they've been ranking the team, I'm not sure we'd leap from 8 to 4 past the current 6th ranked TOSU. Maybe we will, but I'm just not sure.

I could see them doing just what you’re saying in putting tOSU in if that scenario came to pass. But once again, that would be contradicting themselves again (not that they care) because you would be putting in a one loss team that didn’t win it’s conference over a one loss team in Alabama that did. Because they’ve said “conference championships matter”.

Of course losing in your conference championship game like TCU did last year didn’t matter so……

 

[Snuffy Smith]

I could see them doing just what you’re saying in putting tOSU in if that scenario came to pass. But once again, that would be contradicting themselves again (not that they care) because you would be putting in a one loss team that didn’t win it’s conference over a one loss team in Alabama that did. Because they’ve said “conference championships matter”.

Of course losing in your conference championship game like TCU did last year didn’t matter so……

Big difference between us winning the SEC and being a 1 loss champion vs K State being a 3 loss Champion. I don't see us winning and then having UGA go in and not us nor do I think OSu gets in over us if we win - but with this group of clowns who knows..

But yeah, ultimately TCU proved they didn't belong and our thumping of K State just helped in to reinforce that.

 

[CB4]

Big difference between us winning the SEC and being a 1 loss champion vs K State being a 3 loss Champion. I don't see us winning and then having UGA go in and not us nor do I think OSu gets in over us if we win - but with this group of clowns who knows..

But yeah, ultimately TCU proved they didn't belong and our thumping of K State just helped in to reinforce that.

Last night Herbstreit was trying to make the case that, even if UGA lost to Alabama on Saturday, they should be in because in his mind they still were one of the four best teams. Herbie didn’t clarify if he was saying “in addition to” or “instead of” Alabama but I’ve given up trying to follow some of the logic committee chairs and media talking heads.

 

[Windsortide]

This is such a weird year. I think there is a real shot that the team that would win the NCG will be left out of the playoffs and the wrong player will win the Heisman.

See last year

 

[TexasBama]

Unfortunately they have said a lot of things in the past 4-5 weeks that are complete contradictions. As examples, 1) Corrigan in a zoom call with media after last nights release said “the goal was selecting “the best four teams” and not “the most deserving team””. This was a direct contradiction to making statements in previous releases when asked about ranking placements, Corrigan falling back to “the committee felt they were more deserving of the higher ranking. Others might be better, but we FELT THEY DESERVED the higher ranking”. So which is it? If indeed the goal is ranking the BEST why not put them AHEAD if you think they are possibly better? That makes no sense. 2) Corrigan last night goes off talking about SoS and margin of victory among common opponents as being “important” but then pretty dodges the question about Oregon being ranked ahead of Texas among the one loss teams when a) Texas by far has the better SoS AND b) Texas demolished common opponent Texas Tech by 50 points, while Oregon only beat by a single score. Corrigan falls back to then “losing by only 3 to Washington and strong victory over Oregon State (btw a team with a head coach with one foot out the door). Once again, talking out of both sides of his mouth.

As you said yesterday @B1GTide , now they are just lying to us and making it up as they go.

I watched Rece's interview. Boo Radley was more articulate than Boo Corrigan.

 

[Windsortide]

I have a problem with metrics pointing to UT and Alabama being better than the Ducks and they are arbitrarily left ahead of both teams. There will be no outcry even when Alabama beats UGA. The committee gave us a 65-3 final last year and none of the talking heads or networks have said they missed the mark.

 

[CB4]

I watched Rece's interview. Boo Ridley was more articulate than Boo Corrigan.

I said in a different thread that Corrigan looked (and I guess I should have included talked) like he had been on a two week bender.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

See last year

Last year made more sense to me

 

[TexasBama]

Oregon is a 9-1/2 point favorite vs Washington

 

[Cruloc]

Oregon is a 9-1/2 point favorite vs Washington

As they should be. The only thing UW has that can equalize Oregon being better than them almost everywhere......their QB and two WRs.

 

[HighlandOak]

An Ohio State team that has beaten the #7 and #10 teams should not be ranked higher than a team with wins over the #11, #13, and #21 teams on their resume.

Really? So TWO top 10 wins is better than ZERO top 10 wins?

 

[BhamToTexas]

Really? So TWO top 10 wins is better than ZERO top 10 wins?

I think it is supposed to be #17, not #7?

 

[TideEngineer08]

It's not like Texas is a bad team. They very well may win the NC, and they too are getting screwed by this committee right now.

Those of you saying Alabama has only itself to blame, and Nick Saban should have had a better plan, uh... sometimes the other team is really good. And sometimes you have to actually play games against real competition to figure out what you have and what you need to do to improve.

And Alabama has improved greatly since that Texas game.

Every single team in this poll is flawed. Some teams haven't suffered in the loss column because their level of competition has been so low that it hasn't rightly challenged them. This is not being taken into account in these rankings.

This committee is a travesty but we have to win this weekend and then we can really complain.

 

[Big Bama1966]

I am really confused as to how the CFP committee goes about ranking certain teams over other teams. I almost think they sort of back themselves into corners with how they rank some teams early on and are almost scared to adjust the rankings for those teams, therefore pretty much creating different standards for different teams. There is pretty much no consistency.

Look at Washington and Oregon...from the time Oregon lost that first game to Washington the committee pretty much told the public that the PAC 12 is so good and so much better than the SEC that a 1 loss Oregon is still better than a 1 loss Bama or a 1 loss Texas.....Because neither team had a good out of conference win to hang their hat on. Washington beat a Michigan State team that had an interim coach while Oregon barely beat Texas Tech. So by keeping Oregon ahead of Texas and Bama, the committee is putting a lot of stock in wins over a 3 loss Arizona (#15) team that got beat by Mississippi State, and a 4 loss Oregon State (20) team. By comparison, Bama beat the #11, #13, and #21 teams; while losing to the #7 team based on today's rankings. Oh, and UGA beat Oregon by more than 40 last year..so the Ducks must have really, really closed that gap....Mhmmmm.....

Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but it just feels to me like the committee made their initial rankings with some strategy in mind to get an outcome that they wanted. An Ohio State team that has beaten the #7 and #10 teams should not be ranked higher than a team with wins over the #11, #13, and #21 teams on their resume. While this next part is completely subjective.....I completely believe that had Ohio State played that same Texas team as Bama at the same time of the season; then they too would have taken an L to the Horns. Remember, OSU started out pretty slow....similar to Bama.

I really want Bama to win this weekend and put all kinds of pressure on that committee.....

What I truly don't get is these so-called experts saying you cannot put Bama jump over texas because of a head-to-head loss. However, if we beat uga then they say we. cannot get in but uga still would?????? How is that even a concept..... We beat uga we're in and that is all this comes down to.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

You know I don't agree with much that comes from AL.com but Goodman nailed this one...(unfortunately)

Goodman: For Alabama’s playoff hopes, the fix is in

But a sliver of hope remains.

www.al.com

--It’s not that Alabama isn’t worthy of the postseason. It’s that a four-team playoff format where teams are selected by a panel of college football administrators whose salaries are subsidized by the TV networks is a piece of corruptible junk that never should have existed in the first place.

 

[Big Bama1966]

Yep!

We can complain about the committee but the bottom line is not only did we lose but we sucked in about half of the wins.

If we take off our Crimson colored glasses and look at this team I'm not sure how we feel we should be ranked much higher right now.

We beat Georgia and the narrative changes a little, but probably not unless Texas and/or FSU lose.

I don't agree with any of this at all. We are not the only team that had some issues. Even precious uga didn't play well in several of their games, OSU had a rough start, FSU had some issues in several games as well. We played so stiff competition.in tenn, ol miss, and lsu in which we dominated two of them at the final score. Utam was no gimme on the road either. So the premise of why we are where we are doesn't fly with me.

 

[denver]

I don't agree with any of this at all. We are not the only team that had some issues. Even precious uga didn't play well in several of their games, OSU had a rough start, FSU had some issues in several games as well. We played so stiff competition.in tenn, ol miss, and lsu in which we dominated two of them at the final score. Utam was no gimme on the road either. So the premise of why we are where we are doesn't fly with me.

UW has nearly lost twice at least...took a blown PI call and a 100 yd pick 6 in the last 2 mins to beat 3-9 ASU 15-7 and a last min drive to beat WSU by a FG...( with a dodgy roughing call to help out). They have hardly set the world on fire yet get a pass because they have no loss....

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

UW has nearly lost twice at least...took a blown PI call and a 100 yd pick 6 in the last 2 mins to beat 3-9 ASU 15-7 and a last min drive to beat WSU by a FG...( with a dodgy roughing call to help out). They have hardly set the world on fire yet get a pass because they have no loss....

One of the reasons Oregon is favored to beat Washington this weekend. Oregon should have won the first meeting between the two schools if their coaches had not pulled a Kiffin and gone for it on 4th down as many times as he did.

 

[skipster63]

I'm not sure if a win against Georgia is enough even if FSU loses.

I think it'll take FSU and Texas losing.

If just FSU loses, the way they've been ranking the team, I'm not sure we'd leap from 8 to 4 past the current 6th ranked TOSU. Maybe we will, but I'm just not sure.

I believe you are correct. It’s clear they value the head to head vs Texas so any domino it takes to get Texas in would require an extra one for us. That means Texas has to lose and FSU and I’m not sure even then that they would move us to four. Seems like it is highly unlikely we get there.