Its ALABAMAS right to win.

[BamaBobo]

Wow. Very mature of you. Calling people's loyalties in question because they disagree with you. No, I'm not leaning toward the barn. I didn't even mention the Barn. I have two degrees from Alabama and am a Tide Pride member with Football and Basketball tickets. And if people who have a different viewpoint from you make you sick, I hope you have a good insurance plan, because you, Sir, will be sick the rest of your life.
Roll Tide Roll and have a nice night. I'm done. :BigA:

Youre right. Im sorry for calling you a barner. Great to throw out there that you have tide pride tickets. Not just anyone can do that. You are probably a very loyal tide fan and I appreciate that . Im sorry that we differ on this opinion. Roll Tide!!!

 

[VolinArizona]

Don't you have to earn wins?

 

[BamaBobo]

Don't you have to earn wins?[/QUOTE
Not if your name is fulmer.

 

[VolinArizona]

Don't you have to earn wins?[/QUOTE
Not if your name is fulmer.

That doesn't make any sense.

No school DESERVES to win every game.

 

[RKel32]

That doesn't make any sense.

No school DESERVES to win every game.

Exactly. Everything is earned. That's what made our school and tradition in the first place as well as every other great tradition in college football.

 

[johnnychristmas]

Well guys this is one of the silliest sparring matches I've read. I don't even understand what you guys are really disagreeing on.

It appears the original post was a simple, "let's keep our heads up and have pride" type post. Nice. Good to hear with all the potentially negative situation we are in.

From that point on, things just got wierd.

(By the way if you want to attack me over this post, you should probably know that I'm not a student, or a degree holder from UA, a Tide Pride member, or even a citizen of Alabama. Just giving you a little ammunition in case you need it.)

 

[bmcklv]

::Sigh:: if tradition guarantees great coaches, how do you explain us having to give the job to CMS because noone else would take it at the time except from Croom?

Do you remember when mike shula was hired?? Exactly How many successful established coaches do you think were/are available in April/May of ANY year.

 

[briancm]

I think our problem overall is within. JMO.

 

[BamaBobo]

My point got lost in this-but-my point remains the same. We(as ALABAMA) expect to win therefore would should.:BigA: Sorry for the rudeness.:BigA:

 

[GeorgiaTider]

LOL. Nice title and way to use it to attempt to change the focus from our coaching search to the <insert whatever bowl game we are going to> name here. Our right to win is no better than OSU. It's why we play the game. We are playing OSU, right?

 

[BamaBobo]

LOL. Nice title and way to use it to attempt to change the focus from our coaching search to the <insert whatever bowl game we are going to> name here. Our right to win is no better than OSU. It's why we play the game. We are playing OSU, right?

Yeah, some no name team like that. As usual.
Maybe one day well be back to playing the likes of the elite. We should be, anyways.

 

[TideLegacy]

Bama is still a top-tier prgoram, no doubt about that.

However, this line of thinking is irrational, when you consider, just in Bamas own DIVISION, you have 2 programs (LSU and Barn) that have the same expectations and resources, then look to the east which has Tenn., Fla., UGA. So, there are five teams in the SEC that think they should be perrennial Top 10 teams, win the SEC every year or twice every 4 years, and in winning the SEC compete for the NC, etc., etc. Then there are at least 15 other top programs who consider these their same rights and expectations.

It is no more Bama's RIGHT to beat Tenn. and Auburn than it is for them to beat Bama. Get real(istic)

Bamas expectation level should be to beat LSU, Tenn., Auburn 50% of the time, win the SEC West once every 3 years or twice every 5 years, and the SEC half the time they get to the champ. game. I would consider these rational expectations and also good minimum expectations, as I would say this is what Bama is capable of, but not Bama's right. Anything more is GREAT and welcomed and should not be taken for granted, but those unrealistic expectations. This is not 1975 anymore, there is not going to be another 25 year period when Bama wins AT LSU every time they play there, etc., etc. All 5 of those aforementioned SEC teams have as much to offer as Bama and as much to compete as Bama, though their "history" and "tradition" may be lacking in comparison.

Bama is still one of the best jobs, the best programs, unmatched facilities and history. We just need a good impact hire (ala Bob Stoops did at OU) to awaken the sleeping giant and put Bama back where she belongs.

Roll Tide.

 

[BamaBackerBill]

With all of this stupid media chaos let us not forget that its OUR right as Alabama to win every game possible.
Were supposed to beat auburn.
Were supposed to beat tennessee.
And were supposed to win a national title.
Dont let anyone change our minds. Im sick of hearing and reading the negative crap.
Our tradition is what matters. Its what will always guarantee us a great coach. Its what has brought us here.
Lets stop feeling sorry for ourselves and start acting like-
ALABAMA!!!:BigA:
Please!

Good post Bobo! Some people may take it that you're saying we deserve to win if we just show up and that the other team should just bow down to us and be intimidated. Well, they should! :biggrin2:

Just kidding, but the fact is that Bama's got one of the greatest football traditions in college football and the Tide has earned the right to have an heir of invincibility. Now, I know right now we certainly don't feel invincible because of our past struggles with coaching changes, probation, and more coaching changes. But folks, let's face it, whether you're an old Tider or a young Tider, there's been times that you've thought "well Bama's gonna win this one because, well....we're Bama!". And that's not saying we're gonna win because we're a college football traditional powerhouse, because you have to earn it on the field just like anybody else. But, do the Yankees think they have the right to win because they're "The Yankees." How about the Boston Celtics, even though they've been going through rough times. They still have an heir about them and their mystique. The Detroit Red Wings, Green Bay Packers, and Pittsburgh Steelers; they all have that mystique about them that gives them and their fans that feeling that it is their right to win because of who they are. And what about ol' Notre Dame? Whether they are stuggling or not, they always feel like it is their right to win because of their tradition.

All I'm saying is that our tradition is great and we have earned the right to feel like it is our "right" to win every game and to win championships. Anything less is a disappointment, and that's what I want Bama to continue to be. It's a shame that Bama fans are saying that the mystique is over for the Tide. Well, the mystique isn't over. We may be having our struggles right now, but after 12 national championships, 21 SEC championships and the most bowl appearances/wins in the history of college football, the mystique will never die. We are part of an elite group of sports programs and organizations. We have earned our right to feel like we should always win, because we are Dixie's Football Pride! Roll Tide!!!

 

[johnnychristmas]

Good post Bobo! Some people may take it that you're saying we deserve to win if we just show up and that the other team should just bow down to us and be intimidated. Well, they should! :biggrin2:

Just kidding, but the fact is that Bama's got one of the greatest football traditions in college football and the Tide has earned the right to have an heir of invincibility. Now, I know right now we certainly don't feel invincible because of our past struggles with coaching changes, probation, and more coaching changes. But folks, let's face it, whether you're an old Tider or a young Tider, there's been times that you've thought "well Bama's gonna win this one because, well....we're Bama!". And that's not saying we're gonna win because we're a college football traditional powerhouse, because you have to earn it on the field just like anybody else. But, do the Yankees think they have the right to win because they're "The Yankees." How about the Boston Celtics, even though they've been going through rough times. They still have an heir about them and their mystique. The Detroit Red Wings, Green Bay Packers, and Pittsburgh Steelers; they all have that mystique about them that gives them and their fans that feeling that it is their right to win because of who they are. And what about ol' Notre Dame? Whether they are stuggling or not, they always feel like it is their right to win because of their tradition.

All I'm saying is that our tradition is great and we have earned the right to feel like it is our "right" to win every game and to win championships. Anything less is a disappointment, and that's what I want Bama to continue to be. It's a shame that Bama fans are saying that the mystique is over for the Tide. Well, the mystique isn't over. We may be having our struggles right now, but after 12 national championships, 21 SEC championships and the most bowl appearances/wins in the history of college football, the mystique will never die. We are part of an elite group of sports programs and organizations. We have earned our right to feel like we should always win, because we are Dixie's Football Pride! Roll Tide!!!

Well said. I totally agree. Now here come the naysayers to tell us why we shouldn't think like this.

 

[NBF_Bama_Cavalry]

Not so much wallowing as it is facing reality. If you won't let the media tell you how to be a fan, you also shouldn't allow them to put misconceptions that we are "back" just because SI runs a cover. We went 2-2 against upper echelon SEC teams last year. I know that we are a traditional powerhouse and I feel that we will one day return to that state, but we are not there right now. The only thing that aggravates me is that people think we're still in the 70's where Alabama would show up on the field and the other team may as well have walked off the field. It wasn't a matter of if we'll win, but by how much. That's not where our program is at in coaching or talent-level. We've had great periods in our program, but we are not in the midst of one yet, and it is not our birth-right to win any game. Since so many here want to live with the Bear even today, I would love to see what he'd say if his players felt they would win again "just because we're Alabama." Nonsense. It comes from superior talent, superior coaching, and a superior work-ethic. Something that, as well documented on this board, we are lacking at this point(although I think our talent level is on the rise).

I think I got the intent of the original post. I would hope the Bama players take the field with the attitude that it's "their right" to win because they play for Bama. Go out and defend that right and have a little swagger about them and dare the other team to take away what's rightfully theirs.

I think even Coach Bryant would have told you that it didn't necessarily take superior talent. He went out and got players who he could get to dig deep and give more than they thought they had. They gave it because they played for Alabama and it was their "right to win". They weren't always the most talented players either. If you ever watched his show after a loss, you'd also think they had the sorriest coaching staff in all of college football.

 

[Randy Watson]

I think I got the intent of the original post. I would hope the Bama players take the field with the attitude that it's "their right" to win because they play for Bama. Go out and defend that right and have a little swagger about them and dare the other team to take away what's rightfully theirs.

I think even Coach Bryant would have told you that it didn't necessarily take superior talent. He went out and got players who he could get to dig deep and give more than they thought they had. They gave it because they played for Alabama and it was their "right to win". They weren't always the most talented players either. If you ever watched his show after a loss, you'd also think they had the sorriest coaching staff in all of college football.

Agree with the sentiment, but would like to try to make just one small point...

* The only "right" any team has is the right to PREPARE to win. The reason Bama teams of the past have taken the field feeling that they had a right to win was because they know in their hearts they were better prepared than their opponents. They knew they received superior coaching, worked harder, and were tougher physically and mentally than their opponents. Therefore they approached each game with supreme confidence. We've been missing that with several of our teams the last few years. Hopefully we'll get it back soon.