Jalen Milroe is now the starter going forward.

[Bamaingeorgia81]

You’re honestly saying between Buchner and Simpson, you pick Buchner?

no....they were both really bad(again, qbr scores of 15 and 20 for the game). And neither made more than 2 plus plays each. I give the edge to Simspon because he did make the one nice throw to Dippre.

All I'm saying is that Buchners performance would appear more correctable. After all, he possibly couldn't be that inacurrate all the time(or could he?)

That said, I don't really want either anywhere near a football field for us lol.....

 

[Bamaingeorgia81]

I've probably missed some posts, but that's the first one I've read that argued Buchner would have had a better performance if he had been more accurate. The same could be said of all QB's in every game ever played, couldn't it?

Of course, I keep thinking I've watched a different game, because between Buchner and Simpson....Simpson was the better QB vs USF. He was more accurate. He held onto the ball too long, like most kids that haven't seen a lot of action, but the team responded to him in the 4th. The WR's were ready to throw Buchner off the field.

Both qbs were really really bad, and that's reflected in their complete paucity of positive plays for each. I think each of them only made like 2 plays each over 8 yards. Something like that. Which is why there game scores are what they are.

I just don't give Simpson any credit for the last drive. Simpson didn't do anything different than you or me would have on that drive if we were in there lol(as every play was a straight handoff and due to the time and game situation there was little to no chance of a pass).......what happened was that the Alabama running game just finally happened to put together a string of nice carries in running out the clock. Assigning credit to whichever qb happened to be in there isn't a useful thing.

Likewise, had McClellan happened to break a tackle and bust an 80 yard td run in the first qtr, it wouldn't have made Buchner's performance any 'better' or meant that McClellan 'responded' to Buchner being in there.

 

[BamaMoon]

I just have to withhold any assessment on Tommy Rees as a playcaller until whatever is going wrong with the OL gets moderately fixed. I've re-watched the Texas and USF games and good night alive, with all the busted protections on run and pass plays, I don't see how any playcaller could have gotten into any sort of a rhythm when one positive play is almost immediately negated by two negative plays caused by atrocious OL play.

And when you consider that at least two of JM's best plays we've had this year were broken plays, it's even more baffling at how bad things have been.

It's by far the most inconsistent I've seen at Bama going back to a time when a guy named Brandon Avalos was QB and CMS was roaming the sideline.

 

[rtr90]

And when you consider that at least two of JM's best plays we've had this year were broken plays, it's even more baffling at how bad things have been.

It's by far the most inconsistent I've seen at Bama going back to a time when a guy named Brandon Avalos was QB and CMS was roaming the sideline.

i dont know how we got to avalos .. mayb injuries

now we r in this mess even wo injuries

 

[gtgilbert]

I think playing man with single high safety coverage is what Jalen would like to see most and be best for his game. Again, I don't understand defensive concepts schematics well enough, but it would just we could scheme that better with deep shots than zone with 2 deep safeties cause by the time JM reads the deep ball is not there he's got to come back to a 2nd or 3rd read underneath and we've seen how he struggles with that.

Not if we play soft man instead of press man and essentially drop to deep zones. Basically the corners start a little bit deeper so it's still cover 2 or even cover 3 across the deep zones and given when Jalen throws short passes he typically throws a bit late, they have enough time/space to make up ground up on the underneath stuff, and the depth keeps them from being beat over the top. It's what UTw did on the last INT.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

And when you consider that at least two of JM's best plays we've had this year were broken plays, it's even more baffling at how bad things have been.

It's by far the most inconsistent I've seen at Bama going back to a time when a guy named Brandon Avalos was QB and CMS was roaming the sideline.

Well, after Buchner's performance Saturday, regardless of the rumors, Avalos can sleep easy now that he will no longer be referenced as "the worst QB play in Bama history", LOL! HE'S BEEN SET FREE!!!! LOL!

 

[dtgreg]

Well, are y'all saying the offensive line has been tanking for Buchner/Simpson? They snap the ball into the turf and allow more sacks than the Brodie Bros. We're just getting terrible coaching. Also, perhaps the player recruiting evaluations have not been accurate.

 

[BamaMoon]

Both qbs were really really bad, and that's reflected in their complete paucity of positive plays for each. I think each of them only made like 2 plays each over 8 yards. Something like that. Which is why there game scores are what they are.

I just don't give Simpson any credit for the last drive. Simpson didn't do anything different than you or me would have on that drive if we were in there lol(as every play was a straight handoff and due to the time and game situation there was little to no chance of a pass).......what happened was that the Alabama running game just finally happened to put together a string of nice carries in running out the clock. Assigning credit to whichever qb happened to be in there isn't a useful thing.

Likewise, had McClellan happened to break a tackle and bust an 80 yard td run in the first qtr, it wouldn't have made Buchner's performance any 'better' or meant that McClellan 'responded' to Buchner being in there.

I'm struggling to get your point. It sounds like you are pushing a theory that somehow Buchner was better than Simpson.

Neither were great, but man, I don't see how you see that.

But it also seems you are operating on the belief that we got everybody's 100% effort on Saturday too. I just don't buy it!

We'll never know for sure, but Saturday will go down as the biggest head scratcher of any game I've seen Bama play since La. Monroe beat us in 2007.

At least when that happened we knew that team wasn't any good, filled with problematic players/attitudes but yet we had faith CNS was turning it around.

The scary thing right now is I don't know what to think about the future!

 

[jjv0004]

I just have to withhold any assessment on Tommy Rees as a playcaller until whatever is going wrong with the OL gets moderately fixed. I've re-watched the Texas and USF games and good night alive, with all the busted protections on run and pass plays, I don't see how any playcaller could have gotten into any sort of a rhythm when one positive play is almost immediately negated by two negative plays caused by atrocious OL play.

Exactly. The o-line is brutal. Re-watch the games only looking at the o-line. And we don't have Houdini (Bryce Young that last 2 years) to escape.

 

[CrimsonRuss]

no....they were both really bad(again, qbr scores of 15 and 20 for the game). And neither made more than 2 plus plays each. I give the edge to Simspon because he did make the one nice throw to Dippre.

All I'm saying is that Buchners performance would appear more correctable. After all, he possibly couldn't be that inacurrate all the time(or could he?)

That said, I don't really want either anywhere near a football field for us lol.....

I think you’re wrong on Simpson’s qbr. I read an article an I’m pretty sure Simpson had a qbr of 123 for USF.

 

[Bamaingeorgia81]

I'm struggling to get your point. It sounds like you are pushing a theory that somehow Buchner was better than Simpson.

Neither were great, but man, I don't see how you see that.

But it also seems you are operating on the belief that we got everybody's 100% effort on Saturday too. I just don't buy it!

We'll never know for sure, but Saturday will go down as the biggest head scratcher of any game I've seen Bama play since La. Monroe beat us in 2007.

At least when that happened we knew that team wasn't any good, filled with problematic players/attitudes but yet we had faith CNS was turning it around.

The scary thing right now is I don't know what to think about the future!

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying both were terrible. I've already said that in terms of performance Saturday I thought Simpson was a little better(because he did have the 45 yard pass) than Buchner. And qbr backs this up(a terrible 20 is better than an even more terrible 15)

My point was that if Buchner hadn't been so wildly inaccurate he may have been less terrible. For this game though, he was wildly inaccurate.

As for the other stuff, I'm not into crazy conspiracy theories.........no I don't believe there is some conspiracy to not play hard if milroe isn't in there. I do think the effort was blah all around saturday, but that's not surprising considering it was a 'lesser' opponent.

 

[Saban4Ever]

Someone made a post about Cole Cubelic talking about all the things wrong with the O line. It is amazing that we have so many things wrong with it and that the coaches can't coach basic technique, etc. Is it the coaching/development or is it evaluations? So many other big schools wanted the same players. I thought Wolford was supposed to be good?

I think if the O line gets better, our run game gets better, and the QB play will improve. Bama leads the nation in sacks allowed right now for power 5 schools. That is just unheard of.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I think you’re wrong on Simpson’s qbr. I read an article an an pretty sure Simpson had a qbr of 123 for USF.

Simpson had an adjusted QBR of 21.5 vs USF. He had a passer rating of 123.7.
Buchner had an adjusted QBR of 15.2 vs USF. He had a passer rating of 56.1.

For comparison, Milroe had an adjusted QBR of 63.7 vs sexat. He had a passer rating of 140.8.

 

[irvingtontide]

no....they were both really bad(again, qbr scores of 15 and 20 for the game). And neither made more than 2 plus plays each. I give the edge to Simspon because he did make the one nice throw to Dippre.

All I'm saying is that Buchners performance would appear more correctable. After all, he possibly couldn't be that inacurrate all the time(or could he?)

That said, I don't really want either anywhere near a football field for us lol.....

Both qbs were really really bad, and that's reflected in their complete paucity of positive plays for each. I think each of them only made like 2 plays each over 8 yards. Something like that. Which is why there game scores are what they are.

I just don't give Simpson any credit for the last drive. Simpson didn't do anything different than you or me would have on that drive if we were in there lol(as every play was a straight handoff and due to the time and game situation there was little to no chance of a pass).......what happened was that the Alabama running game just finally happened to put together a string of nice carries in running out the clock. Assigning credit to whichever qb happened to be in there isn't a useful thing.

Likewise, had McClellan happened to break a tackle and bust an 80 yard td run in the first qtr, it wouldn't have made Buchner's performance any 'better' or meant that McClellan 'responded' to Buchner being in there.

You act like milroe doesn’t have massive flaws. 14-27 for a 51 percent completion percentage is bad.
2-2 td-int is bad. That’s with playing most the arkansas game and having 3 starts. He also had all the first team snaps through spring and most of the season. Compare that to Ty playing behind a shaky o line in his first ever meaningful snaps of college football. I can see where Ty could realistically make big leaps over the next few weeks with 1st team reps and game exp. If we could make it through the next few games with out a loss with Ty starting I could see possibly making the sec championship if he improved week to week.

That line performance Saturday was the worst they have looked all year. I’m not saying they tanked or anything like that but from a pass pro standpoint it was horrible. Booker being out probably played a part in that but a TE should have been moved over to help proctor because speed is killing him off the edge. I want to say with 3 of those sacks 2 were from the blindside and less than 3 seconds. The other right up the middle off the snap. Any qb is going to struggle there. Milroe threw two interceptions against Texas from a clean pocket two interceptions where he never even looked for or saw the defender. He also had people wide open on both plays but only locked on to the primary read without reading anything about the defense or his other routes. Milroe is a great athlete but he’s an athlete trying to be a qb. Being an athlete is not even required to play qb and falls low on the list of what makes a good qb.
I hope milroe turns it on and makes me and others eat crow but I don’t see it happening in a two week time span. I’m not saying we are 7-5 like others but I will say 2-3 losses this year is a high probability if milroe doesn’t make massive leaps over the next couple weeks.

 

[CrimsonRuss]

Simpson had an adjusted QBR of 21.5 vs USF. He had a passer rating of 123.7.
Buchner had an adjusted QBR of 15.2 vs USF. He had a passer rating of 56.1.

For comparison, Milroe had an adjusted QBR of 63.7 vs sexat. He had a passer rating of 140.8.

Ahhh, my bad. Thanks for the correction!

 

[TitleWave]

As tidefans.com nears a landmark 50-page thread, can we get any traction or endorsements for individual/position group/assistant coach/head coach/equipment manager/misspelling of Milroast's name complaint threads ahead of Ole Miss?

 

[irvingtontide]

Simpson had an adjusted QBR of 21.5 vs USF. He had a passer rating of 123.7.
Buchner had an adjusted QBR of 15.2 vs USF. He had a passer rating of 56.1.

For comparison, Milroe had an adjusted QBR of 63.7 vs sexat. He had a passer rating of 140.8.

Yea from a passing standpoint what he threw was good 123.7 passer rating with coming off the bench is not bad. From a qbr stand point he took too many sacks. That would improve with time tho if he didn’t get killed behind that oline first.

 

[KrAzY3]

Someone made a post about Cole Cubelic talking about all the things wrong with the O line. It is amazing that we have so many things wrong with it and that the coaches can't coach basic technique, etc. Is it the coaching/development or is it evaluations? So many other big schools wanted the same players. I thought Wolford was supposed to be good?

I think if the O line gets better, our run game gets better, and the QB play will improve. Bama leads the nation in sacks allowed right now for power 5 schools. That is just unheard of.

I'm not sure what to blame the most right now, the OC, the OL, or the QB but it just doesn't seem like any of them are doing the other two any favors.

 

[crimsonaudio]

As tidefans.com nears a landmark 50-page thread, can we get any traction or endorsements for individual/position group/assistant coach/head coach/equipment manager/misspelling of Milroast's name complaint threads ahead of Ole Miss?

I get the blue font, but this thread isn't particularly lengthy by TF.com standards.

Heck the 'new oc and dc' thread earlier this year was well over 200 pages alone.

 

[TexasBama]

Simpson had an adjusted QBR of 21.5 vs USF. He had a passer rating of 123.7.
Buchner had an adjusted QBR of 15.2 vs USF. He had a passer rating of 56.1.

For comparison, Milroe had an adjusted QBR of 63.7 vs sexat. He had a passer rating of 140.8.

Milroe receiving the snap from center