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Jameis Winston investigated for sexual assault - and...no charges to be filed...

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BamainBoston said:
That was my thought. I may turn out to be horribly naïve, but I think he has every intention of arresting him but wants it to seem like he only did so after serious and sober consideration
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I hope so for the girl's sake.
 
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Guaranteed this was one if those cases the local police "assumed" would go away. They have clearly been in total CYA mode since this young lady decided to fight. This happened waaaaaay before JW became "The Man" in Tallahassee. I don't know many women who would go to a hospital and undergo a rape exam after consensual sex because they got mad.
 
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Is Meggs the local DA? I just remember in the Trayvon case the state appointed a special DA to go after justice when the local DA refused to bring charges. NO, I do NOT want to open that case against PLEASE NO but would the state seek the same type of justice for this young lady based on what is known? Just wonder is all.
 
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I have a suspicion that whoever leaked the DNA results to the media is someone within the law enforcement/prosecution side who saw that all this was going to be slow-played or swept under the rug. They decided to leak the info (I'm sure that's a big no-no) to get the media to push things forward. I don't like the media a lot of times, especially when they're more interested in pushing an agenda, but in cases like this, they serve a vital function.
 
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Tallahassee is starting to seem much like Aruba these days.
If I had a daughter who was considering attending school there, I would tell her she needed to change her mind quickly.
 
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Ldlane said:
15 minutes of fame is Warhol.
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Didn't know that!

From wiki...15 minutes of fame is short-lived media publicity or celebrity of an individual or phenomenon. The expression was coined by Andy Warhol, who said in 1968 that "In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes." The phenomenon is often used in reference to figures in the entertainment industry or other areas of popular culture, such as reality television and YouTube. It is believed that the statement was an adaptation of a theory of Marshall McLuhan, explaining the differences of media, where TV differs much from other media using contestants. A similar saying used in the UK is "nine days' wonder".
 
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TIDE-HSV said:
DaveFrat made a very important observation earlier in this thread, and he's experienced in this sort of case. Prosecutors don't press for prosecution, by whatever route is appropriate in their states, based on having a probable conviction, as this prosecutor states. They prosecute on the basis of "probable cause." What we have are the following elements: The victim alleges rape and promptly reports it as such and goes to the hospital. There is a DNA match, showing penetration has occurred. In nine out of ten cases, this is enough for probable cause and the prosecutor leaves it up to the trier of fact - the jury - to determine whether the offense has taken place. At a trial, many other pieces of evidence would come into play - why was she there; were they inebriated; what did the witnesses say (not many rape cases with eyewitnesses); what was her condition at the hospital when she reported the rape - many other facets. Prosecutors don't normally worry about all that. All cases have their pros and cons, strong points and weak points. The prosecutor is not a judge. He's an advocate for the state and a seeker after the truth, to be determined by the jury. This has to be the most timid prosecutor I've ever seen. Normally, the tendency is to err on the other side. The only, again, only, thing I can see which would cause a delay in bring a case would be if there were no physical signs of forced penetration. I must say that I would be very surprised if she went to the hospital if there weren't any. So, count me, along with the other members in this thread whom I know are lawyers, as being mystified that probable cause hasn't been found. The whole matter reeks of special handling, or "home cooking," if you prefer. He has had a couple of other "difficulties" which have not come into the public eye. This one was too big and the victim's parents too persistent for that to work this time. At this point in time, I haven't much faith in the rule of law in Tallahassee. I would never want this black eye happening in Tuscaloosa...
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I'm flabbergasted that they haven't charged him yet. It's crystal clear that this prosecutor is more concerned with public opinion and FOOTBALL than he is in getting justice for a rape victim. He is an elected official so his motivation is clouded by his potential personal loss as well if he prosecutes Winston. Sometimes the right thing isn't the popular thing, but you have to do it anyway. This guy needs to do the job he was sworn to do. It is shameful what is going on down there.
 
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I don't think Meggs is running for re-election for another term.
 
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Thanks for the very prompt relief Savannah Dare. I was flabbergasted, wasn't trying to complicate things for you.

Maybe this deal with charges will come to a head this week. If Winston plays this Saturday, I would think they've decided to let it go.
 
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Chukker Veteran said:
Thanks for the very prompt relief Savannah Dare. I was flabbergasted, wasn't trying to complicate things for you.

Maybe this deal with charges will come to a head this week. If Winston plays this Saturday, I would think they've decided to let it go.
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Yes, and I apologize for quoting his post. I was so incensed that I didn't even notice his profanity. :)
 
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It was slanted that way. Those are things that are coming from FSU fan support on other boards from which I am a Member. I decided with the current climate here it wouldn't be good to put up today.

Trying not to get this thread moved to NS, otherwise I will not be able to participate.

bamabelle1991 said:
That article you originally posted--that seemed like support for JW to me? Or did I read it wrong?
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I agree that Meggs is being cautious, but I also wonder if there isn't a little stalling on his part due to the victim's aunt/lawyer pushing so hard to prosecute.
 
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From the Tallahassee Democrat:

Experts: Sexual-battery cases often difficult to prove

If State Attorney Willie Meggs decides to file sexual-battery charges against Jameis Winston and the case goes to trial, he will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the woman who accused the star FSU quarterback didn’t or couldn’t grant consent.

It could be a high legal hurdle to clear, experts say, particularly if there is a lack of physical evidence or people who actually witnessed the act. Mutaqee Akbar, a Tallahassee criminal-defense attorney, said it can be harder for the prosecution to prove such cases than for the defense to defend them.
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Ldlane said:
From the Tallahassee Democrat:

Experts: Sexual-battery cases often difficult to prove
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If probable cause exists, they should still be prosecuted. Difficulty of conviction is not an excuse. BTW, this DA is controversial, anyway. He's been accused of shielding his buddy, the sheriff, from criminal prosecution. May be why he's not running again...
 
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The big thing here is that he is known as someone that likes to go after athletes and minorities. It doesn't make sense that he is acting out of character.

TIDE-HSV said:
If probable cause exists, they should still be prosecuted. Difficulty of conviction is not an excuse. BTW, this DA is controversial, anyway. He's been accused of shielding his buddy, the sheriff, from criminal prosecution. May be why he's not running again...
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Ldlane said:
The big thing here is that he is known as someone that likes to go after athletes and minorities. It doesn't make sense that he is acting out of character.
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Probably more of a reason he's not running again. As I've stated above, only two reasons make any sense. One is the PR problem. The other could be absence of physical evidence of violent penetration. That would seem to be inconsistent with her reporting to the hospital so promptly...
 
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Someone mentioned earlier that if FSU does win out that Winston can't leave the state for the BCSCG, but he wouldn't be able to play in the ACCCG either if that's the case. I don't know if anyone mentioned that already, but if he has to stay in state, the UF game may be his last.
 
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RollTideMang said:
Someone mentioned earlier that if FSU does win out that Winston can't leave the state for the BCSCG, but he wouldn't be able to play in the ACCCG either if that's the case. I don't know if anyone mentioned that already, but if he has to stay in state, the UF game may be his last.
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If he's charged he won't play any games anywhere.
 
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