Less Miles needs to shut up.
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Best-post-ever.Here's my drunken opinion. There are a lot of bama fans that don't like Les Miles and there are a lot of LSU fans that don't like Nick Saban. The "reasons", "statistics", "facts" etc. are nothing more than window dressing. It has nothing to do with it. Some folks just don't like other folks and there ain't much you can say or do to change that. So why doesn't everyone just get it out in the open. Let's all say it together and move on
LSU FANS: "I DON'T LIKE NICK SABAN AND NEVER WILL."
BAMA FANS:"I DON'T LIKE LES MILES AND NEVER WILL."
Now, doesn't everybody feel better? So now there's no need for giving reasons because there are none. We just don't like each other. But we can still be friends.DT_Aliboronz_20:
I'm sorry, but I've got to agree with Fishhead.
I haven't been here too long, but in the short time I have been here, I've had the chance to peruse the boards of several other college teams. The thing that has always shined through is how much TideFans stands out above the others in class and character over all the other boards I've seen. This totally due to the administrators and moderators.
The OP and subsequent bashing over what looks to me to be a simple and fairly accurate assessment of his own team's performance looks out of place and out of character here IMO.
Just my 2 cents.
Isn't it true? Be honest. When it all boils down to it these two fan bases simply do not like the other's program. We try to be cordial but in most of our post we all try to subtly sneak in a jab or upper cut at the other's coach or program. We try to back up our opinions with statistics, assumptions, projections, reasonings etc. to explain away why we feel one way or the other toward the other one's program. But really we don't need any of it to feel that way because it is just pure dislike. The "reasons" have nothing to do with it.
Honestly, do you "like" Bama Fishhead? Or do you "dislike" them? You're in a "safe zone" you can be honest.
I'll go first. I dont' like LSU. I respect their team and coach but I don't like them. I could name reasons but I don't have to have them to not like them. I like and respect some of their fans but at the end of the day I don't like LSU....or Auburn, or Tennessee, or Florida, or Arkansas. Dang, I don't like much of anybody.
I like Miles. I think he is the perfect personality for the SEC and I think it would be a shame if he went to Michigan. He's a character, he's outspoken and he doesn't mind ruffling a few feathers. He's ruffled my feathers a couple times with the statements he's made with regard to Bama, but these things only serve to heighten the intensity of the rivalry.
Well, I am a new poster but I have read Fish and red and 21 as well as our own uberposters (HSV, bayoutider, etc) with the greatest respect. In my humble opinion, I think we are all in a new situation. Throughout the years, UA and LSU have always respected one another (e.g., CPB and Cholly Mac). The games were close, well-fought, but there was no bitterness. I don't think Bama fans ever hated LSU and I don't think LSU fans hated Bama. Then, Saban. We Bama fans remain perplexed about LSU fans' seemngly pathological response to him coming to BAMA. It seems that it shows an insecurity on your part on a par with Auburn's. This is perplexing to us, since we really did think better of you. I understand some of the emotion around your Saban resentment, I really do. But even now, after winning, your persistence in trying to prove something you really know is not true--that Miles is better than Saban and that Saban is somehow evil--strikes us as beneath you. Something we may have expected from AU, yes, but not from you. So, we are disappointed in the decline in class of what was formerly a worthy and respected opponent. We do respect you, OK? Get over it! We always did. But realize that we intend to reassert ourselves as the dominant power in this conference, and we will do what is necessary to do that. It is happening already. In fact, this last game proved it. That's why LSU fans were subdued to a great extent Sat nite at BDS after the game. They saw that the worst UA team in years almost beat the best LSU team in years. Shades of things to come. You know it and so do we. So, I guess, it's not surprising you guys are clinging to the past, as so many accuse us of doing. In the long run, this little debate about Les Miles will seem quaint. But, I am sincere, I hope you guys always finish second in the division.
Good post, overall. Just to clear things up, I don't think that Miles is better than Saban nor do I think that Saban is evil. Overall, I think that Saban is the better coach. I am just making a case that Miles is not an idiot and that LSU isn't about to fall off the map anytime soon. Nothing against Saban or Alabama. From reading the LSU fans that post here regularly, that seems to be the consensus perspective otherwise they would not still be around. Now, as for what other LSU fans say on other boards, let me offer an apology . . .
Nick Saban has taken a team that has been poorly coached for 4 years, not had the best recruiting in 4 years, still feeling the effects of the probation (depth and overall talent wise) and has them at 6-3 in his first season. Does anybody on here honestly think that Les Miles would have this same team at 6-3 at this point in the season? I seriously doubt it! Thats my .02 worth!!
I agree with everything you said. Looks like we can all agree that CNS is a better coach than CLM. But, why start a bash fest over innocuous remarks about his teams performance?
i don't hate LSU. until this year i liked them better than most college teams
not nicknamed the "Crimson Tide". i believe LSU FANS have put a lot of
pressure on CLM, because of their infatuation(love or hate..who knows) with
CNS. CLM sees the "we hate CNS" shirts and stuff, but i'm not convinced he believes it. i think maybe ya'll have planted some seeds of doubt in CLM's head
not nicknamed the "Crimson Tide". i believe LSU FANS have put a lot of
pressure on CLM, because of their infatuation(love or hate..who knows) with
CNS. CLM sees the "we hate CNS" shirts and stuff, but i'm not convinced he believes it. i think maybe ya'll have planted some seeds of doubt in CLM's head
The friction comes from the reality that only one team from the West can go to Atlanta. We want to be that team, as do the other teams. The past few years the series has been lopsided to say the least. Now that stability of an easy win vs. Alabama is quickly disappearing, and LSU feels threatened, as they should. The coaches are the figureheads for the program and are therefore the easiest targets.
And both sides have to agree that their respective coaches have given each side plenty of ammo.
And both sides have to agree that their respective coaches have given each side plenty of ammo.
I recall one...just ONE..."easy win vs. Alabama" in the past few years. Crap, LSU struggles with Old Mess pretty much year in and year out. (under Saban AND Miles) I don't claim to be in the head of every LSU fan, but I truly don't think most LSU fans think the way ya'll believe they do. My previous posts on this thread have been more in response to the ridiculous title..."Less Miles needs to shut up". How the thread turned into a comparison of Saban and Miles, I don't really know.
You guys have a good coach, we have a good coach. You are likely to disagree with me about ours, and think I'm understating yours. I've watched both intently, and they're very different...but both good coaches. I wouldn't call EITHER a great coach. I think a lot of "great" coaches are only "great" as a result of a lot of media hype. I think there are very few "great" coaches in the realm of college football history, and neither CNS OR CLM meets my personal criteria. Neither of them have the accomplishments for that title. Does Fulmer? Meyer? Nope. You guys HAD a "great" coach in CPB. There are few others that deserve that moniker. Maybe one day, when we're all a lot older...we can determine if CNS or CLM were great coaches...but not now.
Can you name a tough game vs. Alabama lately? With the exception of Fran's win, Alabama has folded like a card house in a stiff breeze against LSU the past few years.
I'm sorry but no, you had a coach that took a team that was mediocre and took them to the pinnacle of college football in a short time. THAT'S A GREAT COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACH.
Now he's at a "historically" prestigious university and has made a "recent" historically underachieving football team good enough to contend with a national contender that he played a major part in recruiting in the first place. Your coach CLM is understandably sensitive about this predicament since his personal achievements are undermined by CNS's return.
By my definition..Nick Saban IS a great football coach. Any coach who can make such a dramatic turnaround in a team qualifies.
There is no better recruiter out there and if we can get him to stick around long enough, there's no doubt in my mind that we will be in the shoes you're in right now, within the next 4 years. I also believe that many of the more astute LSU fans understand this as well, hence some of the animosity.
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Let me rephrase. IF Nick had had the benefit of the guys he recruited, rather than the ones CMS recruited, no, I don't think he would have gone undefeated. I do think he would have lost less than five and might well have brought you another MNC, had he stayed. I also think that he would have beaten us by 21 or so, at least, on Saturday. Not everyone on this board is privileged to know exactly what we have in talent nor what our staff saw when they came to Bama. But, a few of us are. Miles has done a good, solid job, both with coaching the Saban recruits he inherited and with his recruiting. But he won't do a "Saban" job, and you don't believe it either, really. Some of these reasons that Miles will dominate border on comical. You have the flagship school in the state and we have Auburn as a thorn in the side. Well, that was always the situation, wasn't it? All of those prior coaches enjoyed that advantage, but, somehow, couldn't capitalize on it. Then, came along a new coach named "Saban," and he found a way to take advantage of it. Now, Miles is supposed to somehow inherit that same recruiting expertise and carry on, despite the fact that he couldn't do it at Okie St. He looks good at the moment, if he stays at LSU, but, do I buy that he will be Nick Saban's equal over an extended period of time? Not a chance. I don't believe it and neither do you...
Ask me in 4 years who the better coach is.
Today it simply does not matter. But for those who want to worry about such things, simply look at the penalties from BAMA/LSU. There are novels to be read in the numbers.
Today it simply does not matter. But for those who want to worry about such things, simply look at the penalties from BAMA/LSU. There are novels to be read in the numbers.
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