Michigan Under Investigation For Sign Stealing

[selmaborntidefan]

But it does help...A LOT. The six years leading up to Stalions showing up, Michigan goes 47-22. Since Stalions, 33-3. I don't think that's totally coincidental.

Michigan football sign-stealing report said to be centered on Connor Stalions: Who is he?

Connor Stalions, an analyst for Michigan football, is a person of interest in the alleged sign-stealing scheme, according to a report.

www.freep.com

". He was stationed at a military base in California from 2015-22, while at the same time serving as a voluntary assistant for Michigan, he wrote. He flew back and forth across the country during football season with his own money to assist the defensive coaching staff, according to ESPN. "

The implication here is clearly he was doing this in 2015, which pretty well blows the theory that he got hired in 2021 out of the water. Furthermore, if one wants to point out he didn't get actually hired as a paid assistant until May 2022, there goes the 2021 theory.

this is the Barry Bonds uses steroids argument all over again. I've gotten so sick and tired of people saying that they would vote for Bonds for the Hall of Fame because he was a Hall of Famer before he began using steroids, which assumes they know when he began using steroids.


Same thing here. People have concocted a theory about Harbaugh that isn't even based on an accurate timeline at this point. And they've run with it, presumably because they want it to be true.

I'm not saying what he did was OK, and I think the notion he didn't know about it is ludicrous. it's just that it doesn't line up with the dates at this point.

 

[BamaMoon]

Apparently the NCAA is going to experiment with NFL style helmets for QB/OC communication in the bowl season according to RD on Gameday.

Seems like the simple solution to fix most of this.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Except the guy was at the 2021 SEC title game scouting both Alabama and UGA......so that argument doesn't work.

To be fair, you can't scout both teams unless you change sides of the stadium at halftime.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

l'm no Michigan fan but they also got screwed by the refs in that game - royally.

Yeah, guess who the ref was that called that game...none other than Jason Autrey. (For those of you not keeping track, he's the one that screwed us in Knoxville last year.)

 

[Power Eye]

Michigan football sign-stealing report said to be centered on Connor Stalions: Who is he?

Connor Stalions, an analyst for Michigan football, is a person of interest in the alleged sign-stealing scheme, according to a report.

www.freep.com

". He was stationed at a military base in California from 2015-22, while at the same time serving as a voluntary assistant for Michigan, he wrote. He flew back and forth across the country during football season with his own money to assist the defensive coaching staff, according to ESPN. "

The implication here is clearly he was doing this in 2015, which pretty well blows the theory that he got hired in 2021 out of the water. Furthermore, if one wants to point out he didn't get actually hired as a paid assistant until May 2022, there goes the 2021 theory.

this is the Barry Bonds uses steroids argument all over again. I've gotten so sick and tired of people saying that they would vote for Bonds for the Hall of Fame because he was a Hall of Famer before he began using steroids, which assumes they know when he began using steroids.


Same thing here. People have concocted a theory about Harbaugh that isn't even based on an accurate timeline at this point. And they've run with it, presumably because they want it to be true.

I'm not saying what he did was OK, and I think the notion he didn't know about it is ludicrous. it's just that it doesn't line up with the dates at this point.

He was involved with Michigan football prior to 2021 but the allegations of him purchasing tickets to opponents’ games and having illegal recordings done date back to 2021. I don’t interpret the fact that he has been involved with Michigan football since 2015 that this has been done since 2015.

 

[Cruloc]

 

[Cruloc]

 

[MetaZeus]

All in all, this whole thing COULD be put to good use. It's a GREAT use-case for NFL helmets and coach to captain communication. It probably won't happen... but it would be nice...

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Good Listen from Mac and Cube this morning discussing sign stealing with Trent Dilfer HC UAB (Starts around 17:40.

10-25 McElroy & Cubelic in the Morning Hour 1: Is Alabama fun to watch?; Trent Dilfer talks Jacob Zeno & sign stealing; Top-3 SEC QBs - McElroy and Cubelic in the Morning

Wednesday's 7am hour of Mac & Cube got underway with Greg saying what a bye week was like under Nick Saban & Cole saying he's having fun watching this Alabama team; then, Trent Dilfer, UAB's head coach, updates the status of Jacob Zeno, says how prevalent sign stealing is in football, and why...

omny.fm

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Ironically, why do I feel this is a bigger issue for Vegas and/is/or connected in some way?

 

[TideEngineer08]

i'm going to remind everyone to be very careful about living in class houses.

I'm not accusing OUR staff of anything at all, but if anybody thinks Jim Harbaugh and Michigan are the only group that has gone to this extent to try and win college football games, that is shamefully naïve.


I think it's so delicious for us because Harbaugh has criticized Saban in the past.

Well like I said, I really don’t care what the ncaa does here. I just know now why Michigan, mediocre over-inflated Michigan, went from 9-4 on average to 13-2.

Also I am of the mind that the sport is burning to the ground anyway so I’m going to point and laugh as much as possible.

 

[AlistarWills]

All in all, this whole thing COULD be put to good use. It's a GREAT use-case for NFL helmets and coach to captain communication. It probably won't happen... but it would be nice...

Helmet comms will be used in this upcoming bowl season per an article on Al dot com where Saban was asked about the sign stealing.

 

[Cruloc]

 

[KrAzY3]

I'm not saying what he did was OK, and I think the notion he didn't know about it is ludicrous. it's just that it doesn't line up with the dates at this point.

To me you are getting into what essentially becomes diversionary tactics. I've seen this before from other people on other subjects, as though disproving one thing disproves everything and of course it doesn't work like that.

It doesn't even really matter if it aided his success or not, it was a clear and blatant violation of the rules and we have what is essentially incontrovertible evidence that occurred. We see the guy on the sidelines (next to the head coach during the game, next to both coordinators), we see he bought tickets, there is video of people in those seats filming the sidelines, we know they broke the rules! It's not his first time being caught, he was literally in trouble earlier this year so it's become a pattern as well.

Everything else is basically noise, same with Barry Bonds. All we need to know is he cheated... and those of us that are reasonable and logical about it can look and figure out pretty easily when he did because his body changed. It's not that complicated, we don't need to make it that complicated.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Pains me to say this but Kelly is right - this is ludicrous.

Kelly on lack of headset communication: 'It's silly'

LSU coach Brian Kelly said that he has encouraged the SEC to adopt headset communication but that his efforts have ultimately gone nowhere.

www.espn.com

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

How about using the old technology of subbing players in and out between plays to determine what the next play should be? The holding up of cardboard signs is so high schoolish.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Pains me to say this but Kelly is right - this is ludicrous.

Kelly on lack of headset communication: 'It's silly'

LSU coach Brian Kelly said that he has encouraged the SEC to adopt headset communication but that his efforts have ultimately gone nowhere.

www.espn.com

Some nerd somewhere will be placing bugs in helmets or stealing the signal from a laptop.

 

[uaintn]

Yes, headsets will solve this problem and should have been in use years ago. There are high schools using them, for Pete's sake. And, because this is an area I know a bit about, it will take very little and very cheap encryption security to keep anyone from being able to steal those signals in-game, at the very least it would be way too late to provide any advantage. Most likely, doing so would be massively expensive and probably illegal. And you could never do it in a road game -- you need too much equipment and electrical power.

At first I thought this was just about in-game sign stealing and I figured everyone did it, so what? But this is a whole different level and I have a hard time believing that many, if any, other teams went to this extent. If they did, they certainly weren't this stupid about it. The conference has millions of incentives to try to get two teams into the playoffs, but I cannot imagine the other teams in the conference are just going to sit by and be satisfied with UM being told not to do this any more. And Michigan has a hard choice to make about whether to deny this or admit it and throw the former Marine Corps officer and their coordinators under the bus. And sooner or later someone is going to tell the whole story. It's getting to be too big of a mess to sweep under the rug.

Finally, I doubt old Harbaugh is very popular with the other schools or the conference office. This may be the thing that runs him back to the NFL.

 

[jthomas666]

this is the Barry Bonds uses steroids argument all over again. I've gotten so sick and tired of people saying that they would vote for Bonds for the Hall of Fame because he was a Hall of Famer before he began using steroids, which assumes they know when he began using steroids.

Not that I think Bonds should be in the Hall, but my guess you can get a fair idea of when his steriod use got serious by tracking when the shape of his head started to change.

 

[B1GTide]

The downside of headset communications is that only the QB gets the call. You have to huddle up to get the play out to the players. And it is harder to switch plays after seeing the defensive alignment.

So, teams will have to choose between speed and headset communications. Unless someone implements something that would also allow other players to get the calls on wrist bands or something similar.