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Mitt Romney vs. The Republican Voter

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Bama_Dawg

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What's the issue with Republican voters hating Mitt Romney? The guy has no real competition for the nomination (IMO) and yet still can't break 25% in any of the national polls. If you're anti-Romney, chime in here . . .

Is it his Mormonism?

Is it the similarities between RomneyCare & ObamaCare?

Is it his history of flip-flops (abortion, cap & trade, Reagan)? Or the fear that he's not actually a conservative and just saying what he needs to say to get elected?

Is it something else?
 
Here's a columnist from TownHall:

He'll lose the general election for a very simple reason: Nobody in the conservative base is excited about him. While the so-called GOP opinion leaders wax on about how super-electable he is, they fail to recognize that it is precisely that logic that gave us the unelectable John McCain. Turnout wins elections these days, not appeals to the independent voter.

Mitt Romney suffers from an enthusiasm gap. He seems to be everybody's second choice. He is few people's first choice. And that is a major problem for him. People pound the pavement for their favorite candidates. They work phone banks for their favorite candidates. They vote for their second favorite candidates -- but they don't work for them.

Republican Romney supporters seem to be counting on sheer dislike for President Obama to carry Romney to victory. That logic is not compelling. Democrats thought the same thing when they nominated John Kerry against the unpopular incumbent George W. Bush. But an empty suit will not beat an unpopular incumbent.
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I think a big reason is that the Southern Baptists and other evangelicals are working against him because they are prejudiced against Mormonism. I heard some people mentioning that they think he is too "slick." I see Romney as being "polished" rather than "slick." But he does come across as upper class and that seems to offend a lot of poor people.
 
CrimsonPhoenix said:
I think a big reason is that the Southern Baptists and other evangelicals are working against him because they are prejudiced against Mormonism. I heard some people mentioning that they think he is too "slick." I see Romney as being "polished" rather than "slick." But he does come across as upper class and that seems to offend a lot of poor people.
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I don't think many Republicans would admit to being offended by someone being rich.
 
Bama_Dawg said:
What's the issue with Republican voters hating Mitt Romney? The guy has no real competition for the nomination (IMO) and yet still can't break 25% in any of the national polls. If you're anti-Romney, chime in here . . .

Is it his Mormonism?

Is it the similarities between RomneyCare & ObamaCare?

Is it his history of flip-flops (abortion, cap & trade, Reagan)? Or the fear that he's not actually a conservative and just saying what he needs to say to get elected?

Is it something else?
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No, thats it, but I assume you were being sarcastic.
 
Yeah, I'm watching last night's debate in pieces and starting to get it. Romney's pretty slick, but when you look at his answers, he's basically telling conservative voters to suck it. Take, for instance, his answer on whether the Bush/Obama financial bailouts were a good idea. He said that action had to be taken and that he'd do it again if it meant preventing a meltdown of our financial system.

Then he adds this:

I'm not interested in bailing out individual institutions that have wealthy people that want to make sure that their shares are worth something … The idea of trying to bail out an institution to protect the shareholders or to protect a certain interest group, that's a terrible idea.
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Interesting. Why distance himself from the idea of helping "wealthy people" and "shareholders"? It's like he thinks he has this thing sewn up and is ready for the general election.
 
I have started to notice how the media is bringing up Romney's Morman religious beliefs after that pastor made some cult comments about Mormonism. I was in a couple of airports over the weekend watching CNN and their was a female reporter taking a tone of issue about the right wing in this country calling out Mormons for possibly being a cult and not a relegion. Her words. I seem to recall this same lady having issues with Mormons last year defeating California's Prop 8 legislation. I sat there thinking, which is it, Mormons are bad or Mormons are good. Guess it depends on what issue is at stake. Personally, I like Romney. Probably because I see him as a better fit than the guy we have now. Just my 2 cents, but he does seem like an indecisive "what will get me votes" kind of guy.
 
I'm a Herman Cain fan, but I'll vote for Romney. Some are for voting your "principles" and I get that, but this country CAN NOT TAKE 4 MORE YEARS OF BARACK OBAMA. PERIOD. I will vote for Romney if he's the nominee and work within the system to hold his feet to the fire with conservative principles, but those who say if we elect Romney we'll be no better off than if Obama is re-elected are DELUSIONAL. That's just not true. I DO think that we stand a chance of getting rid of Obamacare if he's elected. If Obama is re-elected we stand NO CHANCE OF GETTING RID OF OBAMACARE, and you haven't seen the destruction to our system until you see that go into full effect. It HAS to be gotten rid of. I can't stress that enough. I'm going to vote for who is MOST LIKELY to get rid of it. If Romney wins the nomination, we damn well better get out there and make sure he beats Barack Obama or we only have ourselves to blame for what's to follow if he's re-elected. It's that simple. Principles are one thing, saving your damn country has to come first THIS TIME.
 
For me, it's that he comes across (both in his attitude and his history) as a RINO - someone who claims to be conservative but is very comfortable with the government steamrolling rights if he can justify it.

Also, I'm far from a single issue voter, but his gun control ideas really turn me off.

Couldn't care less about his religious beliefs.
 
I will take Romney all day long and twice on Sunday over Rick Perry. I can't stand that guy - absolutely can't stand him. Anyone who has problems with some of Romney's less-than-conservative actions (like Romneycare in Mass., etc) had better take a closer look at Al Gore's former campaign manager in Texas and his liberal stance on immigration. He talks a good game, but he's no pure conservative either - he is a neo-con like GW Bush, and that AIN'T a conservative. But even after having said that, if he should win the Rep. nomination, I will hold my nose and vote for him because even HE is better than Barack Obama.
 
I will vote for the most conservative candidate that I think can take down Barry. What I do NOT appreciate is the Republican party establishment trying to fix the game. It is clear they like Romney but what they are doing with the primaries is not cool.
 
bamacon said:
I will vote for the most conservative candidate that I think can take down Barry. What I do NOT appreciate is the Republican party establishment trying to fix the game. It is clear they like Romney but what they are doing with the primaries is not cool.
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If you are talking about the scheduling I think they are doing it for their own selfish reasons not to help or hurt any candidate.
 
BamainBoston said:
Perry was the Republican Establishment candidate for about five minutes. Romney has a lot of enemies in the establishment. You gotta remember, the press and Obama don't want Romney. This establishment meme is just the latest blow in that war. Rush Limbaugh doesn't love Romney, and he is as keyed in to the "establishment" as anybody, despite his efforts to appear an outsider. Ben Shapiro, the guy who wrote the article above, is deeply connected. Red State sponsored Perry's launch, and National Review and Wall Street Journal still haven't come around.
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The press has been pretty easy on Romney so far compared to the rest but I agree with you on Obama.
 
BamainBoston said:
This whole RINO thing gets old. It has already cost us a Senate seat in Delaware and Nevada. It kept Harry Reid in office. If Obama stays because of it I may lose my mind.
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Well, I'm no republican, so it only carries weight as a matter of principle.

Frankly, I'll never, ever again vote for the lesser of two evils. I will vote for the candidate I think is best whether they 'stand a chance' or not.

Romney is not that guy - he believes the government should be our nanny and take care of us, he's the same thing we've had from the repubs for the last three-plus decades. He's a statist - lesser than Obama, sure, but he's still a statist.

No thanks.
 
bamacon said:
I will vote for the most conservative candidate that I think can take down Barry. What I do NOT appreciate is the Republican party establishment trying to fix the game. It is clear they like Romney but what they are doing with the primaries is not cool.
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I agree, and the time to try to fix this is during the primaries. We have to make sure we get the most conservative candidate who is ELECTABLE, because you can have all the principles in the world, but if you're going down in defeat, you're not much help. Our country is going to hell really fast. Obama doesn't have a clue, and 2 things loom large - Dodd/Frank and Obamacare. Those 2 things are pulling us under and will drown us within the next 10 years. We have no time and no margin for error. I'm not exaggerating. Obamacare alone will destroy the healthcare industry and take a whole lot of other industries down with it.
 
And now Cain vaults to the front of the pack . . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44881446/ns/politics-decision_2012/#.TpY8U3J8EmA

Fueled by Tea Party supporters, conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.
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I have two responses: 1) Morgan Freeman should stick to voice-overs, 2) Could it get any clearer that Republican voters despise Mitt Romney? I mean, how many anti-Romney front-runners have we had now? Trump, Palin, Bachmann, Perry, and now Cain? Sheez.
 
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