NCAA Portal Talk

[Bamabuzzard]

Seeing this thread is now 60+ pages long it may have already been discussed at some point. But am I thinking correctly in that one of the possible negative impacts of the current transfer portal is for the freshman class that just signed now possibly having a stud player transfer in that plays his/their position, then that young kid decides he wants out?

 

[Nolan]

Seeing this thread is now 60+ pages long it may have already been discussed at some point. But am I thinking correctly in that one of the possible negative impacts of the current transfer portal is for the freshman class that just signed now possibly having a stud player transfer in that plays his/their position, then that young kid decides he wants out?

That is certainly possible. Then again, most transfers are one and done it seems, and the frosh who hang in there and compete can be starters as Sophomores - or beat the transfer out.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

Seeing this thread is now 60+ pages long it may have already been discussed at some point. But am I thinking correctly in that one of the possible negative impacts of the current transfer portal is for the freshman class that just signed now possibly having a stud player transfer in that plays his/their position, then that young kid decides he wants out?

I imagine a certain Texas team will be finding this out very soon……

 

[TitleWave]

Seeing this thread is now 60+ pages long it may have already been discussed at some point. But am I thinking correctly in that one of the possible negative impacts of the current transfer portal is for the freshman class that just signed now possibly having a stud player transfer in that plays his/their position, then that young kid decides he wants out?

The collective would have to tell the Borg queen clown that her, er, his resistance is futile.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

The collective would have to tell the Borg queen clown that her, er, his resistance is futile.

I would call you a nerd, but I understood that reference.

 

[CoolBreeze]

I imagine a certain Texas team will be finding this out very soon……

Yep, especially when they find out what a turd Jimbo is.

 

[seebell]

I heard on the radio that over 9000 athletes entered the transfer portal last year. That's a bunch.

NCAA transfer portal numbers increasing

More players than ever are taking advantage of the NCAA transfer portal, but less than half of those transfers are finding greener pastures according to data from the NCAA.

www.dailyindependent.com

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In 2021, 9,570 student-athletes in all NCAA divisions entered the transfer portal, up from 6,703 athletes in 2020.
The number of graduate transfers nearly doubled during that span, going from 1,631 in 2020 to 3,092 in 2021. This was in part due to athletes receiving an extra year of eligibility following the COVID-19 pandemic.

Not everyone entering the transfer portal is finding greener pastures. Less than half (49%) of athletes that entered the transfer portal from 2020-21 found a new NCAA school.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

There are roughly 130 P5, G5, and major independent college football teams.

At 25 scholarships a year, that’s roughly 3,250 new scholarships every year.

Also each year, there are roughly 1,750 or so HS players rated 3 stars or better. All of them will have offers. Maybe they get an offer from their dream school; maybe not. But they will have an opportunity to have a free ride to college in exchange for playing football.

Which means there are roughly 1,500 D1 college scholarships available for players rated 2 stars or fewer.

Now, there are over 3,000 football players in the transfer portal. It’s a game of musical chairs, except instead of one chair too few, there are hundreds too few.

This hurts two constituencies. The first is the marginal HS prospect. Coming out of HS, the kid’s not ready to contribute at the D1 level yet. Maybe he’ll develop. Maybe he won’t. Nobody knows, not even him.

The other harmed constituency is the second-tier D1 coach who takes a chance, signs a project, and is successful developing the kid into a major contributor — whereupon the kid leaves for a top-tier program where he has a chance of winning something worth winning. Tyler Steen, anyone?

So the second-tier D1 coach has to weigh the odds of coming out better signing (1) the HS project, who might or might not develop — and even if he does develop, he might or might not stick around, or (2) the transfer who is 1 - 3 years older, more physically and psychologically developed, and much more of a known quantity. But he’s transferring for a reason, often not a positive one.

In an act of self-preservation, the coach leans heavily toward the lower-risk move. IOW, the transfer. Which leaves the marginal HS project on the outside looking in.

Unintended consequences of an innovation that is well-intended but not fully thought through.

While I feel for the HS kid left out in the cold, I can’t help but feel a sense of schadenfreude when sanctimonious pinheads, talking heads and ink-stained wretches yowl for a change, then get it, then unintended consequences swoop in and leave them looking like Wile E. Coyote when his cigar blows up.

Given that so many of the loudest advocates of easy transfers were in the print and broadcast media, is it any wonder that we don’t hear a peep out of them about the dark underbelly of what they screamed bloody murder for?

 

[NationalTitles18]

While I feel for the HS kid left out in the cold, I can’t help but feel a sense of schadenfreude when sanctimonious pinheads, talking heads and ink-stained wretches yowl for a change, then get it, then unintended consequences swoop in and leave them looking like Wile E. Coyote when his cigar blows up.

I'm certain the old way had no unintended negative consequences.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I'm certain the old way had no unintended negative consequences.

I think the main inequity in the old system was the ability of coaches to prevent a transfer to specific schools.

If given power of a benevolent dictator, I would allow transfer to any school anywhere. But you sit out a year. Only exception is if your head coach (NOT your position coach) leaves or is fired…in which case you can play immediately.

But I’m guessing you have a better idea, and I’d love to hear it.

 

[NationalTitles18]

I think the main inequity in the old system was the ability of coaches to prevent a transfer to specific schools.

If given power of a benevolent dictator, I would allow transfer to any school anywhere. But you sit out a year. Only exception is if your head coach (NOT your position coach) leaves or is fired…in which case you can play immediately.

But I’m guessing you have a better idea, and I’d love to hear it.

I have no specific issue with the way things are right now. Is it perfect? No. Was the old way perfect? No. Is your proposal perfect? No. I reserve the right to change my opinion at any time for any reason.

So there you have it.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I have no specific issue with the way things are right now. Is it perfect? No. Was the old way perfect? No. Is your proposal perfect? No. I reserve the right to change my opinion at any time for any reason.

So there you have it.

No solution is perfect. That doesn’t mean that some aren’t better than others.

Flaws acknowledged, do you think the status quo is the least flawed?

 

[NationalTitles18]

No solution is perfect. That doesn’t mean that some aren’t better than others.

Flaws acknowledged, do you think the status quo is the least flawed?

For a short period of time, probably. In two years or five years or whatever - probably not. I do not think it will resemble the old system at all when it changes, though. It will look more like this with a few more restrictions.

The whole landscape of college ball is changing. It is what it is.

 

[Bama9001]

It seems the large transfer numbers should go down naturally, at least somewhat. The COVID extra year players will be out of the system and a lot of other players will have used up their 'one-time' transfer. Is a grad transfer included in the one-time?

There is one possible fly in the ointment: The NCAA starts issuing the 'exceptions' to the one-time transfer rule. For instance, a hot-shot QB that's already done his free transfer wants to transfer to one of the NCAAs preferred schools. History tells us the NCAA will grant that exception, even if there is no legitimate reason.

I could see some ugly scenarios develop over the next couple years if someone doesn't get control. Kids getting booted with no place to go, etc...

Maybe playoff teams and conference/division champions should be prohibited from taking transfers.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Maybe playoff teams and conference/division champions should be prohibited from taking transfers.

There is no way that will fly. People would have a fit

 

[Con]

It seems the large transfer numbers should go down naturally, at least somewhat. The COVID extra year players will be out of the system and a lot of other players will have used up their 'one-time' transfer. Is a grad transfer included in the one-time?

There is one possible fly in the ointment: The NCAA starts issuing the 'exceptions' to the one-time transfer rule. For instance, a hot-shot QB that's already done his free transfer wants to transfer to one of the NCAAs preferred schools. History tells us the NCAA will grant that exception, even if there is no legitimate reason.

I could see some ugly scenarios develop over the next couple years if someone doesn't get control. Kids getting booted with no place to go, etc...

Maybe playoff teams and conference/division champions should be prohibited from taking transfers.

Absolutely not! Don't punish the ones outworking the others.

 

[Bama9001]

Absolutely not! Don't punish the ones outworking the others.

Don't you think that equity and parity are more important than hard work?

 

[JayBama_in_PCOLA]

Doesn't appear that Kincaid is coming.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The link is basketball related but applies here. The agent of a University of Miami basketball player is demanding more NIL money or he's transferring. And.Here. We.GOOOOOO!!!!

Professional College Sports is OFFICIALLY HERE

 

[4Q Basket Case]

The link is basketball related but applies here. The agent of a University of Miami basketball player is demanding more NIL money or he's transferring. And.Here. We.GOOOOOO!!!!

Professional College Sports is OFFICIALLY HERE

This was 1,000% predictable. I’m surprised only that it didn’t happen sooner.