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I don't fear anesthesia but I'm sixty. There are still no guarantees that one will wake up, at any age, but I like my chances now. When I hit my 70's, I'm not going to be so cavalier about being put under. I definitely understand risk / reward and if general is not required, I can understand someone's reluctance.

People are crazy. An anethesiologist who can't conceive of risks or simple mistakes. Unbelievable.

I guess it's just the "Do as I say, how dare you question me!" mentality.
I want my patients locally anesthetized so they will not jerk while I'm trying to do precision work. I cannot speak for a surgeon, but they may want their patient anesthetized for a similar reason or so they don't have to deal with managing the patient while they are working.

Some patients are a PITA to deal with while you are working. I could work faster and better if they would save their questions until after I'm finished.

There are squirmers, people who won't open their mouth, people who have a curious tongue that wants to check everything out while you're working, patients who want to tell you everything another dentist did while you are working, others who want to talk about anything other than what I'm doing, people who ask me about their insurance (I don't know anything about your dental insurance), etc.

I extracted 32 teeth for a patient one time in a hospital setting. The patient was under general anesthesia. It was a pleasure.
 
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Right.

I was kidding around with the tech who did the stitch removal....telling him I'm like "Wolverine"......my wounds heal up in literally minutes! :D
It just hit me that I had to have the stitches dug out of my carpal repair. I'd decided to have a retired nurse friend do it. She wasn't in a hurry. I tried to tell that there was. When she saw them a week later, she said "Oh my, you weren't kidding." Digging them out with no local was worse than the original...
 

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I don't fear anesthesia but I'm sixty. There are still no guarantees that one will wake up, at any age, but I like my chances now. When I hit my 70's, I'm not going to be so cavalier about being put under. I definitely understand risk / reward and if general is not required, I can understand someone's reluctance.

People are crazy. An anethesiologist who can't conceive of risks or simple mistakes. Unbelievable.

I guess it's just the "Do as I say, how dare you question me!" mentality.
I counted up my generals out of curiosity and it's 17, unless I've forgotten one. Fortunately, most of the anesthesiologists are now on to AGS and understand that heparin could kill me. When they put me under, someone is standing by with epinephrine...
 
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This has promise and hopefully will be proven safe and effective. Obesity is a true pandemic in the U.S. and responsible for many of the co-morbidity health issues that many people are suffering from. This alone could bring down the cost of health care for a lot of Americans.
Except most have to stay on the drug as it's essentially a modern appetite suppressant - it does nothing to address the reasons the person was obese in the first place. Several people I know have used this to lose weight, then tried to stop taking it only to find themselves piling the weight back on, so they restarted.

I'm not sure a drug requiring life-long use is the answer for most folks. For most people, addressing their eating and exercise habits is still the only real solution.
 

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Except most have to stay on the drug as it's essentially a modern appetite suppressant - it does nothing to address the reasons the person was obese in the first place. Several people I know have used this to lose weight, then tried to stop taking it only to find themselves piling the weight back on, so they restarted.

I'm not sure a drug requiring life-long use is the answer for most folks. For most people, addressing their eating and exercise habits is still the only real solution.
I agree 100%. I see no problem using modern medication to kick-start one's path to a more healthy lifestyle, but the idea of having to stay on a medication for a lifetime will only appeal to the pharmaceutical companies who make a killing off this stuff. I know people who used Ozempic and other medications like this who were able to lose a good chunk of weight which made it easier to transition to a lifestyle more befitting one's health. As you pointed out, it doesn't always work that way, though.
 
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Except most have to stay on the drug as it's essentially a modern appetite suppressant - it does nothing to address the reasons the person was obese in the first place. Several people I know have used this to lose weight, then tried to stop taking it only to find themselves piling the weight back on, so they restarted.

I'm not sure a drug requiring life-long use is the answer for most folks. For most people, addressing their eating and exercise habits is still the only real solution.
And if most were willing and able to do that then these drugs would not be needed.

Some are unwilling.

Some are unable to one degree or another.

The problem is very complex and involves many underlying processes.

And I am 100% with you on the efforts people should make.

But very often they are not successful, whether the reasons include socioeconomics, internal body processes, comorbid diseases (diabetes, diseases affecting mobility, etc;...), and others, including combinations of those reasons. Obesity itself causes changes that make losing weight more difficult.

Avoiding obesity altogether would be the best thing.

Eating well and exercising are very helpful to avoid obesity or to lose weight and should be the primary thing attempted.

But for those who can't do it or can't sustain it or whose efforts fall short (sometimes in part to obesity's changes or comorbid conditions) then these medications can offer a lot of help.

Sometimes people have to take blood pressure medication, diabetes medications, and other medications even though they are trying to whatever extent (or not) to manage their condition with diet and exercise. Sometimes it's for life. Sometimes if they do the right things they are fortunate enough to be able to come off the medications and continue to manage it with diet and exercise. Sometimes they can't despite best efforts and still need medication for life. It is what it is.

Even with medication no one will be fully successful without making the efforts we've talked about.

A little food for thought:

With diabetes the three "P"s are a major warning sign someone has the disease. They are:

Polyuria (excessive urination)

Polydipsia (excessive thirst)

Polyphagia (excessive hunger)

When your body is driving you to eat it is difficult to turn that off. It makes you think you are starving, and often for the wrong types of food.

It can still be done, sometimes without help like the GLP-1 agonists.

I hesitate to frame it as an either/or proposition and I'm glad there's one more tool to be used to help people get healthier.
 
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