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QUOTE=Aries]Why is everyone so high on JPW?  He has only played in a spring game.   Not trying to flame him, but if he was so good, why did he only get a greyshirt from Bama?  Lets be realistic, if he was such a great catch, somebody would have been after him and at least offered him a full scholly.  Lets not try to make him something we WANThim to be, lets see what he can ACTUALLY do first.  I would bet that next year his status as the starting QB will not be a given. [/QUOTE] 



That is my point.  JPW was not even recruited heavily out of high school.  He may turn out to be a good QB but he will most likely turn out to be an average QB.  He doesnt have a great arm, not very mobile only played one spring.  Dont get me wrong I hope he turns out to be a great find, but I expect JB or JJ to be the future that is if we dont sign a 5* freshman this year like the kid from FL.  


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i think that major programs will need two quality qbs now to compete. i would expect johns to be the ultimate qb based on the all around skills he can bring to a game. he can give a defense all it can handle. they can not prepare their blitzes, and cover the corners with a qb that can break a run when needed. however, the qb that can motor needs to have a arm to prevent the 8 and 9 man line on defense as well. balance all the time. johns brings that to the game.
 
Aries said:
Why is everyone so high on JPW? He has only played in a spring game. Not trying to flame him, but if he was so good, why did he only get a greyshirt from Bama? Lets be realistic, if he was such a great catch, somebody would have been after him and at least offered him a full scholly. Lets not try to make him something we WANThim to be, lets see what he can ACTUALLY do first. I would bet that next year his status as the starting QB will not be a given.

Maybe he will be the diamond in the rough, but only time will tell.
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Yep, JPW will probably be a wash. :D

# Wilson made a name for himsef running coach Rush Propst’s offense as the starting QB at Hoover HS. For his career, Wilson completed 615 of 978 passes for 8,170 yards and 78 TDs
# As a junior and senior, Wilson led the Bucs to the Class 6A state football championship
# He played in the championship game all three years in high school
# As a senior, he completed 314 of 467 passes (67 percent) for a state record 3,281 yards and 40 touchdowns. He threw only 10 interceptions all year.
# He was named to the Birmingham News’ Super Senior List in 2003-04
# He was a Class 6A Super All-State selection by the Birmingham News and Alabama Sports Writer’s Association (ASWA)
# He was the 2003 ASWA Player of the Year and the Montgomery Advertiser Back of the Year
# An honorable mention all-state pick as a junior, Wilson passed for more than 2,800 yards, with 27 TDs and 10 interceptions
#Wilson threw for 168 yards in the spring game and was the game MVP
#He also won the Bart Starr Award as the most improved quarterback. (Wilson, by the way, was UF wide receiver Chad Jackson's quarterback in high school)
#Wilson was a three star QB according to Rivals for those that believe in all that

Grayshirting, a term still so unfamiliar that some college football coaches don't yet know it (and neither does Aries), involves recruiting a player out of high school, promising him a scholarship, but asking him to wait to enroll full time in school until the second semester, usually eight months after high school graduation. In the meantime, he is allowed to spend his time however he wants: working at home, taking classes part time, using the extra few months to physically prepare for college football.

The NCAA doesn't keep track of such statistics or trends, but many coaches expect more programs to grayshirt players in the future. The benefits to the program, they say, are many. Schools are allowed to issue 85 scholarships for a given semester. Some college seniors, particularly those who have redshirted and are thus in their fifth year, graduate after the first semester, usually in December. Rather than having those scholarships go unused in the spring, programs can bring in a grayshirted player and have him participate in spring practice. They could then be in school for five-and-a-half years.

The idea is to identify some of the players who might take longer to develop or aren't as highly sought as some others, and encourage them to grayshirt. The process is different from "early enrollment," in which players graduate from high school in three-and-a-half years and arrive at college one semester early, using the extra time not only to get adjusted to college life, but to go through spring workouts. North Carolina State's Philip Rivers and Southern California's John David Booty, both quarterbacks, are among the players with the highest profiles to have gone through that process.

In JPW's case he was still contemplating playing baseball, he was drafted in the 19th round by the Marlins. He finally settled on playing football for Alabama. He is expecting to play two sports but he is on a football scholarship and football obligations will come first.

So, to correct your assumption that a grayshirt isn't a full scholarship.
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I would expect it depends on injuries at the position this season, but I expect to see Barnes and maybe Johns to redshirt. As we have already said, don't look for Thrash to get on the field for any quality moments. If we sign a stud like Tebow, it's not a given he will be the starter over QBs already in the system. I doubt you will see Perriloux starting at LSU this September either. Personally the thought of a TF QB scares the daylights out of me.
 
I like our QB situation. The big piece to the puzzle is how well our OL can develop. With big holes to run through and plenty of time to find an open receiver your backfield can become all-stars.
 
bama243 said:
I think JPW is a good Qb and will be a Jay Barker type(wont get you beat). In my personal opinion the game has shifted so much to having a mobile QB with D-Lines and LBs being so fast, that JJ will as of what we have now be the future QB. JB also looks good and from what I hear has a rocket for an arm, but he is not very mobile. In todays game un-mobile QBs unless you are a Matt Leinart type are just sitting ducks. The threat to run will always help you keep those DL and LBs thinking. Just my opinion. let me know what you think.


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FWIW, JPW is better than Brodie when it comes to rolling out of the pocket and hitting a receiver on the run.

Mobility? You be the judge.
 
Okay Bayou-you state his HIGH SCHOOL Stats-how many great HS QB's has Bama had? Burgdorf? Kitchens? HS and college are two different worlds. You can only speculate at this point, which you have to do with almost everyone from HS. I'm not saying he can't throw a ball or have the ability to be a QB (kinda hope the staff would pick someone who can), but the fact remains=HE WAS GREYSHIRTED=NO SCHOLLY!!! And no one else offered a scholly. I'm a big bama fan, but I'm just trying to be realistic. Your statement that a greyshirt is essentially a scholly is completely wrong. Your telling me that Shaun Alexander, or Brodie would have taken a Greyshirt when they came to college? I don't think so. There is a reason some people get schollys and others don't.

Again, I hope he is a great #2, but I will wait till he actually does something in college before I praise him as a great QB. Right now he is a good HS QB who is a huge question mark as a college QB.
 
Terry: Not to get into the MG background stuff but...

can you shed light as to whether or not he'll even be on the team this fall? It would seem that if he was even trying to get playing time, that he'd be involved in pass skels this summer! Given Bama's last few years of QB injuries, it's not out of the question that the 3rd team QB would play.

Finally, is he still in Shula's dog house? Again, I don't really know the entire story as to why or how he got there (I've heard the stories) but just wondering if he's still going to be our 3rd QB?

Thanks!
 
Aries said:
Okay Bayou-you state his HIGH SCHOOL Stats-how many great HS QB's has Bama had? Burgdorf? Kitchens? HS and college are two different worlds. You can only speculate at this point, which you have to do with almost everyone from HS. I'm not saying he can't throw a ball or have the ability to be a QB (kinda hope the staff would pick someone who can), but the fact remains=HE WAS GREYSHIRTED=NO SCHOLLY!!! And no one else offered a scholly. I'm a big bama fan, but I'm just trying to be realistic. Your statement that a greyshirt is essentially a scholly is completely wrong. Your telling me that Shaun Alexander, or Brodie would have taken a Greyshirt when they came to college? I don't think so. There is a reason some people get schollys and others don't.

Again, I hope he is a great #2, but I will wait till he actually does something in college before I praise him as a great QB. Right now he is a good HS QB who is a huge question mark as a college QB.
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Dude.

Put two and two together, will ya?!?!?

He was offered a scholly....but, he had the money (or his parents did) to pay for his way during his first semester. Most of the players on campus don't. While he was a "greyshirt" he was involved with the coaches/practices as much as any QB would be.

Now, you are defining his talent based on his greyshirt and that is one of the ways that CMS is "recruiting our way out of this situation." The assertation that his talent is "less that others" simply isn't true. It was just a situation where we took advantage and put him on a greyshirt.
 
One more thing. He is on a scholly...but his scholly was credited towards the next years class.

Explain to me the difference?!?!?
 
Explain to me the difference?!?!?

Obviously there is no difference Terry and you did a great job educating me and maybe a few others on "Grayshirt". Recruiting is nothing but speculation, at best, followed by an assuption that the recruit will avoid injury, mature and have no personal problems and distractions. H.S. stats and the talent demonstrated by those that come to camp are about all the staff has to go on when developing a recruiting. J.W. as # 2 is fine with me and if he's # 1, 2 or 3 in 2006 we'll be in great shape with back-ups as long as the assumptions hold and speculation is honest.
 
bayoutider said:
Yep, JPW will probably be a wash. :D

# Wilson made a name for himsef running coach Rush Propst’s offense as the starting QB at Hoover HS. For his career, Wilson completed 615 of 978 passes for 8,170 yards and 78 TDs
# As a junior and senior, Wilson led the Bucs to the Class 6A state football championship
# He played in the championship game all three years in high school
# As a senior, he completed 314 of 467 passes (67 percent) for a state record 3,281 yards and 40 touchdowns. He threw only 10 interceptions all year.
# He was named to the Birmingham News’ Super Senior List in 2003-04
# He was a Class 6A Super All-State selection by the Birmingham News and Alabama Sports Writer’s Association (ASWA)
# He was the 2003 ASWA Player of the Year and the Montgomery Advertiser Back of the Year
# An honorable mention all-state pick as a junior, Wilson passed for more than 2,800 yards, with 27 TDs and 10 interceptions
#Wilson threw for 168 yards in the spring game and was the game MVP
#He also won the Bart Starr Award as the most improved quarterback. (Wilson, by the way, was UF wide receiver Chad Jackson's quarterback in high school)
#Wilson was a three star QB according to Rivals for those that believe in all that
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Great post Bayoutider. I thought I would add a few things to your list of Wilson accomplishments. Here are a few of the state records that JPW owns and I will mention that he was a Parade All-American selection. One of only 7 QBs picked nationally. ;)

2004 Parade All-America Football Team

AHSAA Football Individual Records

John Parker Wilson holds the MOST YARDS PASSING IN A SEASON record.
1. 3,821 John Parker Wilson, Hoover, 2003 (314 of 467, 40 TDs)
2. 3,787 Brodie Croyle, Westbrook Christian, 1998 (175 of 282, 44 TDs)

John Parker Wilson holds the MOST PASSES IN A SEASON record.
1. 467 John Parker Wilson, Hoover, 2003

John Parker Wilson holds the MOST PASSES COMPLETED IN A SEASON record.
1. 314 John Parker Wilson, Hoover, 2003 (467 att., 3,821 yards, 40 TDs)

John Parker Wilson holds the MOST PASSES COMPLETED IN A CAREER record.
1. 615 John Parker Wilson, Hoover, 2001-03

John Parker Wilson is third in the MOST YARDS PASSING IN A CAREER.
1. 10,774 JaMarcus Russell, Williamson, 1999-02
2. 9,321 Brodie Croyle, Westbrook Christian, 1996-00
3. 8,170 John Parker Wilson, Hoover, 2001-03

John Parker Wilson is fourth in the MOST TOUCHDOWN PASSES THROWN IN A CAREER.
1. 105 Brodie Croyle, Westbrook Christian, 1996-99
4. 78 John Parker Wilson, Hoover, 2001-03

John Parker Wilson is sixth in the MOST TOUCHDOWN PASSES THROWN IN A SEASON.
3. 44 Brodie Croyle, Westbrook Christian, 1998
6. 40 John Parker Wilson, Hoover, 2003 (314 of 467)

Anybody that says that John Parker Wilson is not very talented or was not highly recruited is mistaken or uninformed.
 
HS Stats are really nice...

But sometimes schools are hesitant to offer schollies to those considered a bit undersized. IMO, one reason that CMS wanted JPW to greyshirt was so that he could continue to grow. If I remember correctly (was reported on a team site), from the time he graduated until the beginning of spring practice this year, he grew one and a half inches and gained 15-20 pounds. With an extra inch or so, better vision. With 15-20 pounds, better durability. There is no accurate way to compare the HS recruit of 2004 to the man taking the snaps this fall at the Capstone. Personally, I'll listen to CMS and staff. With what we have heard from them, JPW is the real deal... Nowhere do I recall them saying anything remotely close to the same thing about MG or SP over the past couple of years. For all you detractors, remember that Mike Shula himself was not the "most mobile" and didn't have the "strongest arm." Yet, he still is in our record books and was considered "highly successful." RTR.
 
DUDE-you take a chill pill. I'm simply stating a fact that a greyshirt is not the same as a regular scholly. I'm fully aware that it becomes a scholly the next year and that it is a way to get some development.The bottom line is if his talent was so great, he would have a reg scholly last year. Think about it-its not like we had the best back ups in the world. If he was so great-he couldn't beat Guillion and Spencer? I'm not trying to flame either of these two,esp Spencer-but the fact remains that he was given a grey and not even a chance to compete with these two. Shula was obviously looking to the future, but surely Shula had to realize what the current situation was last year with our talent at QB.

I'm not trying to second guess Shula or the QB's, or get in they why this, and this and that. My initial post simply stated-lets be realistic about JPW. He has only played in a Spring game. THIS IS A FACT. Lets wait and see what he does on the field before we sing his praises.
 
Bayou-"Anybody that says that John Parker Wilson is not very talented or was not highly recruited is mistaken or uninformed."

If we use your logic and all the stats you and Terry stated, then why was JPW only rated at best as a 3 star? I know the scouting services are sometimes off, but if you look at his stats, he should have been a 4-5 star. Wonder WHY???
 
Aries said:
Bayou-"Anybody that says that John Parker Wilson is not very talented or was not highly recruited is mistaken or uninformed."

If we use your logic and all the stats you and Terry stated, then why was JPW only rated at best as a 3 star? I know the scouting services are sometimes off, but if you look at his stats, he should have been a 4-5 star. Wonder WHY???
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Well sir, maybe you are right and the rest of us are all wrong. I guess all our sources are stupid and misinformed.
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"Why is everyone so high on JPW? He has only played in a spring game. Not trying to flame him, but if he was so good, why did he only get a greyshirt from Bama"?

Those were your questions Aries and it seems they were answered. Those high on JPW have their reasons and those that are not have their's. Much has to unfold for JPW to become great or even sucessful, same holds true for every other QB, every player and every school. Let those that believe in JPW's talent have their peace.
 
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