North Korea Labels Cheney A "Bloodthirsty Beast"
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heh.
I'm not Cheney fan, but North Korea calling him out is like G. Gordon Liddy calling Mark Felt a crook.
I'm not Cheney fan, but North Korea calling him out is like G. Gordon Liddy calling Mark Felt a crook.
cheney, a bloodthirsty beast. What a thing to say.
Surely it wasn't bloodlust that caused him to shoot over 70 pen-raised pheasants in one of his "sporting" hunts.
cheney would never defend America's use of torture.
cheney would certainly never gun down his 78 year old lawyer buddy, and then get the secret sevice to stall his interview with the local lawmen until the next day.
Surely it wasn't bloodlust that caused him to shoot over 70 pen-raised pheasants in one of his "sporting" hunts.
cheney would never defend America's use of torture.
cheney would certainly never gun down his 78 year old lawyer buddy, and then get the secret sevice to stall his interview with the local lawmen until the next day.
That sounds a lot like a CNN news report....Chukker Veteran said:
Wire services: Cheney shoots acquaintance with birdshot while quail hunting!
CNN: Cheney guns down 78 year old lawyer!
no one on this forum would spin anything and try to distort it into something sinister....
I would have thought cheney would have been anxious to speak with the sherriff as soon as possible after he shot the 78 year old lawyer in the face, to show the sheriff he wasn't drunk when it happened.
What has Cheney done that has so many rallying to defend him? Would you also defend Mr. Burns as a sucsessful capitalist?
CrimsonDarkness said:
First, it was a hunting accident on private property. Second, um, Mr. Burns is a cartoon character and does not actually exist as a capitalist or anything else. Newsflash.
ValuJet said:
VJ, I just thought the title you put on this thread was a nice fit with the current news.
Bloodthirsty Beast, indeed.
NEWSFLASH!! He certainly does exist as a depiction of "the man". Wisten, I asked what Cheney had done to garner so many in his defense. How, by destroying the lives of so many, has he enriched your life?wisten said:First, it was a hunting accident on private property. Second, um, Mr. Burns is a cartoon character and does not actually exist as a capitalist or anything else. Newsflash.
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CrimsonDarkness said:
I've just been chuckling at the lengths to which the winger blogosphere and apparatus has been going into overdrive in spinning this thing.
Cheney could be John Wayne Gacy, the bodies buried in the Rose Garden, and they'd be yelping, "Those boys deserved it!" and "At least he didn't kill that girl like Ted Kennedy!!!" :biggrin:
Here's some spin for you:
Let's begin with Katherine Armstrong, Dick Cheney's witness-in-chief, and ipso-facto press secretary. It is her version of events that has been disseminated around the world, she was the only witness cited on the accident report, and it was of Armstrong that Scott McClellan said when asked about the circumstances of the shooting, "You ought to check with her." So, what happened that day, according to Armstong?
Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong said.
"The vice president didn't see him," she continued. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by God, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."
But what is left out of that now familiar quote is this important detail:
From what Armstrong said she saw as she sat in the hunt vehicle about 100 yards from Cheney and the other hunters...
Think about that. Armstrong was sitting in a car that was parked the length of a football field away, yet she not only could see that Whittington didn't signal, she knew that he didn't announce his return. Even accepting the story that she could see the events clearly from that distance, she certainly wouldn't have been able to hear what Whittington did or didn't say.
And what about Armstrong's repeated efforts to downplay Whittington's injuries?
"It broke the skin. It knocked him silly. But he was fine. He was talking. His eyes were open. It didn't get in his eyes or anything like that.
Fortunately, the vice president has got a lot of medical people around him and so they were right there and probably more cautious than we would have been." [...]
"...bruised more than bloodied, and his pride was hurt more than anything else."
But how does that casual dismissal square with this?
The medical team that travels with Cheney immediately began ministering to Whittington, who was bleeding profusely from wounds to his face, neck and chest, witnesses said.
Or this?
"Sally (Whittington) May said her father does not recall a lot of the incident, nor was he involved in how or whether information about the incident was released: 'He didn't know at the time if he was going to the hospital or the mortuary.'"
And as the focus intensified on why the announcement about the shooting was delayed for 22 hours, so did Armstrong's story on what she was focused on that night:
"Ranch owner Katharine Armstrong said no one discussed notifying the public of the accident Saturday because they were so consumed with making sure [Harry] Whittington was OK.
They were consumed? With what? I thought that it was only Whittington's pride that was hurt.
And of course there is the burning question; was alcohol a factor in the shooting? According to the ever-accomodating Armstrong:
None in the hunting party was drinking alcohol, Armstrong said.
"No, zero, zippo and I don't drink at all," she said. "No one was drinking."
When someone starts throwing around "zippo," you know they must be serious, right? But one must ask about the now scrubbed MSNBC story where Armstrong said:
..she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said, "but remember not everyone in the party was shooting."
From zero and zippo to beer being available...not that anyone was drinking it. By the way, did I mention that it was only Whittington's pride that was hurt? After all, Katherine Armstrong said so.
It was this model of consistency that was chosen to annouce to the world that the Vice President of the United States shot a man. And when did Ms. Armstrong decide to break the story to a local paper? On Saturday.
Armstrong said Cheney had spoken with her Saturday evening about disclosing the incident to the public. "We knew word would get out," she said. He urged her to tell friends and family first, before word leaked out to the media.
No, check that, it was on Sunday:
...Armstrong said that she, her mother and her sister, Sara Storey Armstrong Hixon, decided on Sunday morning after breakfast to report the shooting accident to the media...We felt -- that the information needed to go public. It was our idea," Armstrong said.
Wait, it was on Sunday, but it was her decision
Katharine Armstrong said she made the decision to inform the Corpus Christi Caller Times about the accident on Sunday.
So let's recap the many statements made by Cheney's alibi; from the inside of a car, 100 yards from the scene, Armstrong neither saw nor heard Whittington announce his approach, he was "more bruised than bloody," and he was "bleeding profusely," he was "fine," and he didn't know, "if he was going to the hospital or the mortuary," there was "no drinking" and there was, "beer available," Cheney "urged" her tell her story on Saturday, and it was her family's "idea" on Sunday, except when it was her idea on Sunday.
Let's begin with Katherine Armstrong, Dick Cheney's witness-in-chief, and ipso-facto press secretary. It is her version of events that has been disseminated around the world, she was the only witness cited on the accident report, and it was of Armstrong that Scott McClellan said when asked about the circumstances of the shooting, "You ought to check with her." So, what happened that day, according to Armstong?
Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong said.
"The vice president didn't see him," she continued. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by God, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."
But what is left out of that now familiar quote is this important detail:
From what Armstrong said she saw as she sat in the hunt vehicle about 100 yards from Cheney and the other hunters...
Think about that. Armstrong was sitting in a car that was parked the length of a football field away, yet she not only could see that Whittington didn't signal, she knew that he didn't announce his return. Even accepting the story that she could see the events clearly from that distance, she certainly wouldn't have been able to hear what Whittington did or didn't say.
And what about Armstrong's repeated efforts to downplay Whittington's injuries?
"It broke the skin. It knocked him silly. But he was fine. He was talking. His eyes were open. It didn't get in his eyes or anything like that.
Fortunately, the vice president has got a lot of medical people around him and so they were right there and probably more cautious than we would have been." [...]
"...bruised more than bloodied, and his pride was hurt more than anything else."
But how does that casual dismissal square with this?
The medical team that travels with Cheney immediately began ministering to Whittington, who was bleeding profusely from wounds to his face, neck and chest, witnesses said.
Or this?
"Sally (Whittington) May said her father does not recall a lot of the incident, nor was he involved in how or whether information about the incident was released: 'He didn't know at the time if he was going to the hospital or the mortuary.'"
And as the focus intensified on why the announcement about the shooting was delayed for 22 hours, so did Armstrong's story on what she was focused on that night:
"Ranch owner Katharine Armstrong said no one discussed notifying the public of the accident Saturday because they were so consumed with making sure [Harry] Whittington was OK.
They were consumed? With what? I thought that it was only Whittington's pride that was hurt.
And of course there is the burning question; was alcohol a factor in the shooting? According to the ever-accomodating Armstrong:
None in the hunting party was drinking alcohol, Armstrong said.
"No, zero, zippo and I don't drink at all," she said. "No one was drinking."
When someone starts throwing around "zippo," you know they must be serious, right? But one must ask about the now scrubbed MSNBC story where Armstrong said:
..she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said, "but remember not everyone in the party was shooting."
From zero and zippo to beer being available...not that anyone was drinking it. By the way, did I mention that it was only Whittington's pride that was hurt? After all, Katherine Armstrong said so.
It was this model of consistency that was chosen to annouce to the world that the Vice President of the United States shot a man. And when did Ms. Armstrong decide to break the story to a local paper? On Saturday.
Armstrong said Cheney had spoken with her Saturday evening about disclosing the incident to the public. "We knew word would get out," she said. He urged her to tell friends and family first, before word leaked out to the media.
No, check that, it was on Sunday:
...Armstrong said that she, her mother and her sister, Sara Storey Armstrong Hixon, decided on Sunday morning after breakfast to report the shooting accident to the media...We felt -- that the information needed to go public. It was our idea," Armstrong said.
Wait, it was on Sunday, but it was her decision
Katharine Armstrong said she made the decision to inform the Corpus Christi Caller Times about the accident on Sunday.
So let's recap the many statements made by Cheney's alibi; from the inside of a car, 100 yards from the scene, Armstrong neither saw nor heard Whittington announce his approach, he was "more bruised than bloody," and he was "bleeding profusely," he was "fine," and he didn't know, "if he was going to the hospital or the mortuary," there was "no drinking" and there was, "beer available," Cheney "urged" her tell her story on Saturday, and it was her family's "idea" on Sunday, except when it was her idea on Sunday.
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ValuJet said:
Yup. Ted will be pickeled for posterity, and that one will be preserved as well for hundreds of years to come.
Though, it's as knee-jerk and predictable as back when Reagan would hold his rump, yelling, "OH! OH! My colon!"...every time he'd get into some stinky situation.
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