Not everyone likes change at Bama.

blindbuzzard

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"Tradition" can be a good thing but at the same time can be a bad thing. I was talking to a fellow Bama fan about the upcoming season and how excited I was about where Shula is taking our program. I told him how I liked how Shula was trying to balance out the offense and put a more dynamic system in place.

Well, to my surprise my fellow Bama fan disagreed. He felt that Bama has always been a "running team", we'd won 12 NC's with that formula and trying to "open" up the offense is just going to get us nowhere fast. He said that everytime Bama has tried to "open it up" we've looked like an elk on ice skates. It just didn't work. He felt that Bama was built around pounding the ball and that was the "tradition" or "trademark" of Bama.

But, I had to disagree with his view. Sure, we've won 12 NC's, we've had great success with our style of offense for years. But, I have to wonder and ponder the thought of "what if". "What if" during the mid 90's we would have had a more balanced offensive attack, how many more SEC titles would we have won? How many more games we would have won because when we got behind, we would of had a chance of coming back, rather than killing so much time on the clock due to our lack of ability to move the ball down the field?

I just feel that every time you eliminate the use of an offensive skill player (i.e. TE's, WR's, FB's) from your offensive scheme, you give the defense one less thing to worry about, and that much more of a chance of having success against you.

However, the more weapons you incorporate in your offense, the more dangerous it becomes. The defense is forced to defend EVERY skilled position player. It spreads the defense thin.

That is why I like what Shula is doing with our offense. He's not going to get pass happy and turn our offense around 180 degrees. It appears he is just going to balance it out, incorporate more weapons, which gives us a better chance of having success. Use to teams knew that if they could stop the run and force us to pass they pretty much shut down our offense. With Shula's offense that won't be the case. We'll have the option of going to the passing game if our running game isn't working, or vice versa. He's going to incorporate the TE in order to keep the defense from loading up the line with an extra LB. The LB will be forced to cover the TE or leave him wide open for the first ten yards off the line of scrimmage. A balanced offense is a better offense. Change is not always bad, and just because "that's the way we've always done it", doesn't mean it is the best or most effecient way.

Thank God for Mike Shula.
 
To equate our history of winning...

with a particular style of offense is just too stupid and senseless to try to answer. We've won with all types of offenses. Since a person convinced against his will is of the same opinion still*, perhaps you should change friends or talk bowling?


*My dad talking through me...
 
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"opening it up" doesn't necessarily mean a big, big change...I LOVE a running game...but, I also am in favor of throwing to the TE and FB...what people need to realize is that big wide receivers and rocket arm QBs doesn't mean West Coast or Fun N Gun...these quality WRs and QBs open up running games simply b/c they have those capabilities and defenses have to respect them...

what's the old saying? "A running game is a passing game's best friend?" and vice versa...that to me is a "balance offense"...and I for one am glad Shula is doing what is he doing
 
I don't think bama is going to be pass happy like Spurrier.I think that when they say open it up at Bama that means not run run run run.I like run game to but I would love to see Bama do both that way we can come from behind if we need to.What I guess I am trying to say is a balanced offense and avery stingy deffense is what I am wishing for out of this years Bama team.
 
Buzzard, I dont think your friend watches a whole lot of football these days. Either that or he is uninformed about what is going on in Tuscaloosa. Last time I checked, we still had a couple of fullbacks on the roster, and a couple of tightends, too. We are not lining up 5 wide recievers, like Price had planned(thank God!!). There are very few teams who actually run that pass-happy kindof offense. They are gimmick offenses. True, they do win some games. Boise St, Tex Tech come to mind. But these offenses are prone to losing games too. I assure you and your friend, that we are not running a pass happy, 5 wide offense. Our offense, as stated, will be well balanced. I would think that 60-40 would be a fair predictor of what our offense is. And I'm just not sure which is 60 and which is 40. Every championship team has great running back. When we return to glory, Im sure our tailback will be houshold name, and noone will discredit our running game. :biga:
 
I too favor a strong running game because it's more of a physical beating, the other team doesn't feel like you beat them with smoke and mirrors. Having said that, I'm not at all against a liberal sprinkling of the pass, I just don't want to get stupid with it. The key is to use the pass when you want to pass, not because it's all you can do.

A classic example of the effectiveness of a balanced offense is the way the 65 and 66 teams totally befuddled the Cornhuskers in the Orange and Sugar Bowls. Nebraska literally looked like the proverbial monkey trying to have sex with a football. Sloan and Stabler didn't have awesome stats compared to what you often see today, but they dang sure had their way with those big old lumbering Huskers.

There's no reason why we can't be proficient in both. These days, it'd be very hard to win a NC with a one-dimensional offense and winning NC's is what BAMA is all about, not co-SEC West championships.
 
I agree with the balanced attack. But even then, when you play a team that you can just run, run, run on that is what you do.

I have heard the old saw about "three things can happen when you put the ball in the air and two of them are bad." Can't the same thing be said of running the ball? Fumble, no gain or loss of yardage?
 
Good point Redwood

About the running game, it's not always the best. I'm of the ilk where you get the best players on the field and get them the ball as many times as possible. Then you exploit mismatches until that mismatch is corrected, then find another. In essence it's the "take what the defense gives you" approach. I'll take short yardage all game long. Mix in a deep ball every now and then and this seems to be CMS's strategy as well. By having the best players on the field you increase the chance of not being able to cover every avenue on the football field, thus increasing the chance of success. The more plays, the more success, the better chance of getting that big play for a touchdown. :biga:
 
I have never quite understood the perception that we are strictly a running team. I think it came from the fact that when Coach Bryant installled the wishbone, we did literally run the ball down people's throats. Where the point is missed is that Coach Bryant won two NC's(shoulda been 3) in a row in the mid-60's with a balance attacked that included a strong passing game. See Tommy Mac's post. If you look back we even had some great receivers many, many years ago. Ever hear of Don Hutson? I don't think anyone wants us to abandon the run and I do not expect us to. It is still an integral part of any good offense.
 
I agree with what has been said on this post. We have to run the ball and also be able to pass effectively using the FB and TE when necessary. I do not believe we are going to become pass happy. The one thing that I have noticed that we need to be careful of is being too predictable in crucial situations. It happened all last year but knowing what we know now, we did the best we could with what we had. I hope this year we will not be so predictable in our play calling. We need to have a good mix and always try to have a surprise or 2 up our sleeves offensively.
 
Shula's offense will be a pro-style offense (Pro-Set) but will not be the "west coast offense" or "pure passing offense".

In the Pro-set you utilize the TE and FB in passing and running.

Alot of pro teams that use that set rack up rushing and passing yards. I for one will be glad to see Bama throw the ball more and with better proficiency. For one it will attract better skill players. We have always had good running backs, but our WR's and TE's have not been the greatest. Tell me the last time a Bama WR led the nation, or heck even the SEC in yardage, TD's, or even YPC?

Records are gonna fall. Plus its harder for defenses to defend a team that can do both. Its easier to defend a team that you know runs the bal 80% of the time. Look at those that are top of the SEC right now-UGA, UT, and UF all have good passing attacks and complimnet it wiht a running game.

The future is now! Run and Pass!!!!
 
TommyMac said:
I too favor a strong running game because it's more of a physical beating, the other team doesn't feel like you beat them with smoke and mirrors. Having said that, I'm not at all against a liberal sprinkling of the pass, I just don't want to get stupid with it. The key is to use the pass when you want to pass, not because it's all you can do.

A classic example of the effectiveness of a balanced offense is the way the 65 and 66 teams totally befuddled the Cornhuskers in the Orange and Sugar Bowls. Nebraska literally looked like the proverbial monkey trying to have sex with a football. Sloan and Stabler didn't have awesome stats compared to what you often see today, but they dang sure had their way with those big old lumbering Huskers.

There's no reason why we can't be proficient in both. These days, it'd be very hard to win a NC with a one-dimensional offense and winning NC's is what BAMA is all about, not co-SEC West championships.

TM makes a great point. Alabama btw hasnt always been a running team. The sixties are a good example. While not west coast who can doubt the skilz of Namath, Stabler et al. I am excited.
 
One of the reasons that Bama has been so successful throughout history has been the ability to implement an offense that is not always predictable.

In the era of "three yards and a cloud of dust", we had quarterbacks such as Dixie Howell and Harry Gilmer who were putting on impressive displays of passing and winning over much stronger and favored teams.

In the 60's, Joe Namath, Steve Sloan, Kenny Stabler, and Scott Hunter had Bama's passing game going strong, but when Coach Bryant saw what Coach Royal's teams were doing with the wishbone, he decided that he would implement that.

Alabama has generally been a team of improvisation and innovation. Mindlessly limiting ourselves to some "traditional" offense is NOT what propelled Alabama to the pinnacle of success. Setting our sights high and NOT limiting our options was the catalyst for our success.
 
IH8Orange said:
One of the reasons that Bama has been so successful throughout history has been the ability to implement an offense that is not always predictable.

In the era of "three yards and a cloud of dust", we had quarterbacks such as Dixie Howell and Harry Gilmer who were putting on impressive displays of passing and winning over much stronger and favored teams.

In the 60's, Joe Namath, Steve Sloan, Kenny Stabler, and Scott Hunter had Bama's passing game going strong, but when Coach Bryant saw what Coach Royal's teams were doing with the wishbone, he decided that he would implement that.

Alabama has generally been a team of improvisation and innovation. Mindlessly limiting ourselves to some "traditional" offense is NOT what propelled Alabama to the pinnacle of success. Setting our sights high and NOT limiting our options was the catalyst for our success.

Well said. Very well said.
 
I Hate To Be A Wet Blanket,But........

I'm not sure BAMA will be able to move the ball this season,no matter the set or system.First off,neither Hudson or Darby have shown me enough to think that they're striking fear into the hearts of SEC defensive coordinators.Seems to me that RH is severely undersized and KD severely inexperienced --a recipe for disaster if there ever was one.
Secondly,the vast majority of our WRs and SEs are freshmen or have (like Darby) little experience.I don't think any reasonable BAMA fan is expecting the second coming of Jerry Rice out of this bunch.At least not this season,and that's what we're talking about.As for TEs and FBs--Cavan cannot play every down and Castille is hampered by his lack of (here we go again) experience.
I do agree with the school of thought that says we should be able to recruit a better quality athlete with a revamped,pro-style offense.It's just that I think it may take a while for this sapling to bear fruit.
 
I like to see a featured back

in the offense. I love to have the ability to draw the defense to one aspect of your offense, then have them be beat by another aspect because you do more than one thing well. I believe a key part of Freddie Milons success in 1999 was the lure of Shaun Alexander back there. Defenses just couldn't load up the D-backfield. They had to be kept honest.

Run or pass, unpredictability is the MAJOR POINT that must be stressed. I saw some of this last year from Shula. NFL offenses do not win by being predictable. First, you have to have the right personnel. THat is critical. Then, by mixing the run and pass, you force the defense to respect both. But if they KNOW what you are going to do, then it doesn't matter if it's run or pass, because they will snuff it out.

The use of the Tight End as a receiver is one of the biggest equalizers in the game of American Football. I'm telling you, get a tight end like Winslow or the dude from Tennessee, or Shockey, and then watch the defense scramble. it's like having a 12th man.

Or a 13th if your Arkansas.
 
BfloTide said:
I'm not sure BAMA will be able to move the ball this season,no matter the set or system.First off,neither Hudson or Darby have shown me enough to think that they're striking fear into the hearts of SEC defensive coordinators.Seems to me that RH is severely undersized and KD severely inexperienced --a recipe for disaster if there ever was one.
Secondly,the vast majority of our WRs and SEs are freshmen or have (like Darby) little experience.I don't think any reasonable BAMA fan is expecting the second coming of Jerry Rice out of this bunch.At least not this season,and that's what we're talking about.As for TEs and FBs--Cavan cannot play every down and Castille is hampered by his lack of (here we go again) experience.
I do agree with the school of thought that says we should be able to recruit a better quality athlete with a revamped,pro-style offense.It's just that I think it may take a while for this sapling to bear fruit.

Most of us expect some growing pains, but truthfully yours sounds like a worst case scenario. While I would loved to go undefeated, that is unlikely. Some of your inexperienced people actually did pick up some experience last year and will continue to do so. I would suggest we will not be entirely about all of our strengths and weaknesses until we actually match up with an opponent. Kids can mature amazingly fast from one year to the next.
 
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