Obama's Mosque Support: What's The Political Fallout?

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Mosque controversy swirls around Obama - James Hohmann and Maggie Haberman and Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

Many Democrats are troubled by his remarks, as if they need more Obamaness invading their election / reelection campaigns. Could this have come at a worse time for Democrats who are battling to hang onto their seats?

Is Obama clueless of the overriding opinion of the electorate on this issue?

Just by inserting his comments into what is a local issue with national fervor cooked up by the media, Obama has drawn every congressional seat in the U.S. into this controversy.

I will give him this - he will tackle an issue head-on. He may be strong-willed, corrupt, ignorant and and self-destructive, but he is persistent.
 

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Mosque controversy swirls around Obama - James Hohmann and Maggie Haberman and Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

Many Democrats are troubled by his remarks, as if they need more Obamaness invading their election / reelection campaigns. Could this have come at a worse time for Democrats who are battling to hang onto their seats?

Is Obama clueless of the overriding opinion of the electorate on this issue?

Just by inserting his comments into what is a local issue with national fervor cooked up by the media, Obama has drawn every congressional seat in the U.S. into this controversy.

I will give him this - he will tackle an issue head-on. He may be strong-willed, corrupt, ignorant and and self-destructive, but he is persistent.
He may not have needed to say it. Regardless what he said was 100% right.

Regardless of what popular opinion is at this time, Obama upheld his duty to protect the Constitution in this instance. That's what's important, not public opinion.
 

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That depends on how Islam is defined. Some define it as a political movement.
 

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Regardless of what he said it is an abomination to build the mosque so near hallowed ground.Once agagin he shows his true self. More and more of the American people see him for who he really is.
Completely ignorant. How far should the mosque be then? There is a strip club opening on the same block, where is your outrage for that?
 

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You haven't answered a single question.

Should we forget the Constitution because you are offended?

Where is your outrage for a freaking strip club being built there?

How far away does the mosque need to be?
The constitution isn't the issue!

I don't care if a strip club or gay bar is built there .

There are many mosques built in New York, just not there!
 
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The question actually was regarding the political fallout of Obama's support. I will agree that freedom of religion is a precious concept we value. As tasteless, offensive, and controversial as it may be, it's a constitutionally guaranteed right.

Given 68% of polled Americans find problems or are outraged at the $114 Million Islamic Cultural Center planned so close to Ground Zero, would it not behoove Obama to discuss this with the presiding imam, or at least go through Mayor Bloomberg to communicate the public's reaction to this?

Obama is the executive branch, so if we want to talk Constitution and freedom of religion, he probably should stay on the sidelines. By inserting himself into this controversy, is he harming his political base?
 

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The question actually was regarding the political fallout of Obama's support. I will agree that freedom of religion is a precious concept we value. As tasteless, offensive, and controversial as it may be, it's a constitutionally guaranteed right.

Given 68% of polled Americans find problems or are outraged at the $114 Million Islamic Cultural Center planned so close to Ground Zero, would it not behoove Obama to discuss this with the presiding imam, or at least go through Mayor Bloomberg to communicate the public's reaction to this?

Obama is the executive branch, so if we want to talk Constitution and freedom of religion, he probably should stay on the sidelines. By inserting himself into this controversy, is he harming his political base?
The answer is he probably shouldn't have said anything, which I said in the first post. My counter-argument is, is it important? The fact that he upheld the Constitution in the face of some poll is a good sign, IMO. The masses are not infallable and its important to stay objective and not discredit your own values because you feel something is wrong.
 

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You haven't answered a single question.

Should we forget the Constitution because you are offended?

Where is your outrage for a freaking strip club being built there?

How far away does the mosque need to be?
People who go to strip clubs generally don't think it's okay to behead someone simply for having a different religous doctrine. Strip club deejays, as a general rule, don't advocate the destruction of the United States of America, as do the people who flew those planes into those buildings and killed thousands of Americans. And they most assuredly don't advocate sharia law like that quack who wants to build this thing.

The damn mosque needs to be as far away as New Yorkers feel is appropriate.

Do you feel as though your questions have been answered?
 

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People who go to strip clubs generally don't think it's okay to behead someone simply for having a different religous doctrine. Strip club deejays, as a general rule, don't advocate the destruction of the United States of America, as do the people who flew those planes into those buildings and killed thousands of Americans. And they most assuredly don't advocate sharia law like that quack who wants to build this thing.

The damn mosque needs to be as far away as New Yorkers feel is appropriate.

Do you feel as though your questions have been answered?
Generally, Muslims don't either.

But you base the opinion of all 1.2 billion on the actions of a few thousand?

Heck, if you don't agree with him, might as well deny him rights. I guess that's freedom to you.
 

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You haven't answered a single question.

Should we forget the Constitution because you are offended?

Where is your outrage for a freaking strip club being built there?

How far away does the mosque need to be?
this isn't about 'religious freedom'...this is about common sense. It wasn't a bunch of strippers who killed 2,000+ people in the Twin Towers....it was a group of Muslims. And now, the happen to want to build a community center two blocks away? Coincidence, right? Anything goes these days? Whatever? Can't tell anyone 'no'?

You disappoint me.
 

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bamanut, he is just very enlightened. i heard from unofficial sources that he is volunteering his time to help build a confederate store next to the church that got firebombed in birmingham. then once that is done he is scheduled to do opening ceremonies for the NAMBLA center next to a daycare facility. After that he will finish up the day building a meat processing plant next to PETA's national headquarters. of course, this was just second hand info i heard so it is probably wrong.:rolleyes:
 

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this isn't about 'religious freedom'...this is about common sense. It wasn't a bunch of strippers who killed 2,000+ people in the Twin Towers....it was a group of Muslims. And now, the happen to want to build a community center two blocks away? Coincidence, right? Anything goes these days? Whatever? Can't tell anyone 'no'?

You disappoint me.
Actually if you deny them the right to build a mosque, it is about freedom of religion.

Your implication is that all Muslims are somehow tied to the tragedy of 9/11, yet you are disappointed in me? I know you don't want a mosque there because you don't like Muslims (as does the majority of this board it seems), but you can't deny their rights just because you think that all Muslims want to destroy America. Insensitive? Distasteful? Sure, I can understand that point of view, and you MAY be right that it's meant to be a kick in the face. But so what? Start acting like your enemy? Repress thoughts that don't jive with you? It's counter to what America is.

You'll get over it. And guess what? If you really want, you can go protest and make your voice heard, it's your right.
 

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bamanut, he is just very enlightened. i heard from unofficial sources that he is volunteering his time to help build a confederate store next to the church that got firebombed in birmingham. then once that is done he is scheduled to do opening ceremonies for the NAMBLA center next to a daycare facility. After that he will finish up the day building a meat processing plant next to PETA's national headquarters. of course, this was just second hand info i heard so it is probably wrong.:rolleyes:
You are a greater debater.
 

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Generally, Muslims don't either.

But you base the opinion of all 1.2 billion on the actions of a few thousand?

Heck, if you don't agree with him, might as well deny him rights. I guess that's freedom to you.
At what point do the "few thousand" become a statistically signifcant sample?
 
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