Question: Offensive playcalling
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Then why are you so hard on seeing Tua during a very contested FSU game? Sure when Francois went down I could see, but not anywhere else makes any sense.
AJ wasn't much different, and he had been in the system for 3 years by the time he took his first snap. 2011 LSU in Ttown he was missing a lot of reads.
most of it is. The other is not calling many short routes, and that part is on Daboll. Jalen wasn't great, but he managed the game, and we didn't need him to do more than that with the circumstances we were playing in.
McCarron did not have 15 games under his belt as a starter. going into 2011. And recall that he started to come around at the see the field at the end of 2011.
How may plays like above before part of it is the QB? How many points lost? There is 7 right there.
Thats not "managing the game" imo.
McCarron also benefited from having been under one coordinator from 2009-11. He also had a utility receiver come on late in that year. Two advantages he has on Jalen, and they are pretty significant.
Not sure if you caught how many scarlet and gold players were on the line, but it was pretty significant. I personally blame Daboll more than any for not calling quicker plays.
Well we did MANAGE to score enough to win, and Jalen didn't do anything that lost us the game so I would say he managed the game.
If you are just a Tua fan just admit it, but if you seriously think a True freshman is going to do any better than a guy with 15 games under his belt against probably a top 2 defense then you are full of it. Sure Jalen started as a TF, but there is no good comparison between USC's defense and FSU's except FSU's has a great one and USC's is just an average PAC 12 defense.
Bama is grossly underutilizing the play action pass. I may have missed one but by my count Bama used the play but three times. The ball was faked to the RB many times but then run by the QB.
The results of the three play action play passes?
1st and 10 at ALA 47
(11:28 - 2nd) Calvin Ridley 53 Yd pass from Jalen Hurts (Andy Pappanastos Kick)
3rd and 3 at ALA 26
(8:50 - 3rd) Jalen Hurts pass complete to Damien Harris for 11 yds to the Alab 37 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at ALA 37
(8:25 - 3rd) Hurts, Jalen pass incomplete to Ridley, Calvin, PENALTY FLORIDAST pass interference (Marshall, Trey) 15 yards to the FLORIDAST48, NO PLAY, 1ST DOWN ALABAMA.
The most glaring underutilization?
3rd and 4 at FSU 15
(6:31 - 4th) Jalen Hurts pass incomplete
On this play, Ruggs had the DB beat by a yard. Play action and he would have had him beat by 5 yards! Bama had run the ball the 4 previous plays. Had Bama shown run, FSU would have thought Bama was going to settle for the FG if they didn't run for the 1st down.
The results of the three play action play passes?
1st and 10 at ALA 47
(11:28 - 2nd) Calvin Ridley 53 Yd pass from Jalen Hurts (Andy Pappanastos Kick)
3rd and 3 at ALA 26
(8:50 - 3rd) Jalen Hurts pass complete to Damien Harris for 11 yds to the Alab 37 for a 1ST down
1st and 10 at ALA 37
(8:25 - 3rd) Hurts, Jalen pass incomplete to Ridley, Calvin, PENALTY FLORIDAST pass interference (Marshall, Trey) 15 yards to the FLORIDAST48, NO PLAY, 1ST DOWN ALABAMA.
The most glaring underutilization?
3rd and 4 at FSU 15
(6:31 - 4th) Jalen Hurts pass incomplete
On this play, Ruggs had the DB beat by a yard. Play action and he would have had him beat by 5 yards! Bama had run the ball the 4 previous plays. Had Bama shown run, FSU would have thought Bama was going to settle for the FG if they didn't run for the 1st down.
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Do you think Tua would have been sacked a lot more than Jalen did? He is not as quick or as fast as Jalen and with the pressure they put on I think Tua would have been sacked at least twice as much. Jalen is our QB so I think you need to try to wrap your mind around it. He will get better as the season progresses.
McCarron was a redshirt sophomore in his first start against a ranked team(#23 PSU). He went 19/31/1/0 and 163 yards. This is not Jalen's first start against Top 5 opponents nor his first win. I don't like the comparison for a number of reasons. Completely different circumstances.
I get the FSU defense was good but invariably a defense has to make decisions what it is going to defend on any given play. Our offensive gameplan had the feel of a scrimmage where we just try stuff without context. We can't win a NC playing like this on offense. It was a lot like the last few games from last year. The gameplan for defenses is still put 8 men in the box blitz the edges clog the middle stopping tailback runs and keeping Jalen contained.
Until we develop a screen game and have Jalen willing/capable to throw over the middle in the 5-20 yard range this is what we are going to see.
A lot of Jalen's coolness imo comes from his confident instinct to run his way out of trouble. Take that ability away and his weaknesses are glaring.
As good as our defense was last night, there were too many completed passes in the back end of the defense - reminded me alot of our 2014 defense. This defense can be good but I don't think it can carry us to a NC.
If Tua gets a chance to play and doesn't turn the ball over - it's going to be tough to keep him off the field. He is a better passer than Jalen already. We probably will need 2qb system by the end of the year. It's imperative we score TDS because as an earlier poster said our kicking game is a mess.
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Until we develop a screen game and have Jalen willing/capable to throw over the middle in the 5-20 yard range this is what we are going to see.
A lot of Jalen's coolness imo comes from his confident instinct to run his way out of trouble. Take that ability away and his weaknesses are glaring.
As good as our defense was last night, there were too many completed passes in the back end of the defense - reminded me alot of our 2014 defense. This defense can be good but I don't think it can carry us to a NC.
If Tua gets a chance to play and doesn't turn the ball over - it's going to be tough to keep him off the field. He is a better passer than Jalen already. We probably will need 2qb system by the end of the year. It's imperative we score TDS because as an earlier poster said our kicking game is a mess.
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AJ had mac from 09-11. So he had the same terminology for 3 straight years Jalen has had 3 coordinators in 1 year. I would argue AJ really didn't start becoming elite until his senior season, but that's just me. The whole point is that this twitch brain nonsense is dumb. I mean look at the 2012 aTm game. Are you seriously going to tell me that AJ doesn't have the qb IQ to play for Bama
Not sure what that is in response to. I just don't like the comparison because the circumstances are not remotely similar. AJ is one of the top QB's in Alabama football history. If he continues to develop as I expect, Jalen will be in their company.
I was right there with you until I went back to look at the film. Great play design if Jalen decides to give Cam a chance...he's wide open.
But he'd already made up his mind to take off running if he got pressure, but Cam is....again...wide open.
Pictures don't lie. He had an open receiver for a TD. He tucked and ran. And the safety was spying him. This is on Jalen. And alot of it is on Jalen.
the linebacker (standing on the 5 yard line) who is spying him looks to be right in his throwing window
We don't really know how much of Jalen's scrambling was due to pressure and how much was due to misreads like the pic above.
And what about the video clip of the FSU LB moving around to the end against an empty backfield and just teeing off on Jalen like a track star. Was Jalen supposed to see this guy and audible? Or was he supposed to just get run down like a fox?
Something is going on.
A fair point - but his first game wasn't USC as a freshman in Dallas, either.
Well....not really.....
We played MSU, Ga Southern, and Auburn between the two games with LSU.
MSU was the #34 pass defense that averaged giving up 197.2 ypg and AJ got 168.
Auburn had the #54 pass defense that averaged giving up 218 yp and AJ got 197.
GSU was an FCS team and McCarron had 190 yards passing. Yeah, he had 3 TDs but two of them were four-yard tosses against an FCS team.
He threw a pick in the MSU game that gave them first and goal on the four but they missed the FG.
Auburn got a TD when AJ fumbled in his own end zone.
He got better - but he got better because he was playing lousier defenses.
To be fair - he DID have a very good game against the Vols that year.
AJ McCarron was a great player but let's not look back at his trials with Crimson coated glasses, either.
No, it was four lost since we did get a field goal.
I hope everyone getting on Jalen for this - and this is legit, it was pointed out during the telecast - at least will admit that he hit the guy right in the hands in the end zone on a pass, too.
If we're gonna start assigning blame for who misses what I'm fine with that - let's just do it with everybody, okay?
To be fair, it isn't just Jax - we have a plethora of fans every year who are always wanting the backup to become the starter. And I don't think that's what he's saying here. The criticism - with the exception of the brain twitch comment - that he brings forth IS legitimate and not fixing it will hurt us long-term.
I've long thought Jalen's problem is that he faces - or at least last year for sure and looks so this year - a helluva defense in practice that picks him off a lot and gets in his head. Maybe.
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