How soon until the BCS contract is over? Do you think we will have a playoff system? It would be so easy to have #1 play #4 giving #1 home field advantage and #2 play #3. It would be one extra game and then the winners play in January. They could still have the bowl games after that. People will complain that what about the #5 team, but I think 4 is all you need.
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I don't know...I think that first, if your team wants to be considered for NC title contention, there should be certain requirements that have to be met.
First, all preseason rankings are abolished, and no rankings will be determined until after the 6th week of play. That should insure that all teams will have played a minimum of 5 games. The rankings will then be determined by each team's W-L record for that year. Then these requirements should be in place:
Your team HAS to be a member of a conference. No non-conference affiliated schools will be permitted to play for a NC title.
Your team MUST NOT have lost more than 1 regular season game.
Your team MUST have competed in and won your conference championship game.
IMO, the new system, however it may be configured, must be fair to all NCAA teams, regardless of conference affiliation. From then, you can take the top 4 teams with the #1 playing the #3, #2 playing #4, then the winners of each of those 2 games play each other. The winner of that game is the NC Title Champ.
First, all preseason rankings are abolished, and no rankings will be determined until after the 6th week of play. That should insure that all teams will have played a minimum of 5 games. The rankings will then be determined by each team's W-L record for that year. Then these requirements should be in place:
Your team HAS to be a member of a conference. No non-conference affiliated schools will be permitted to play for a NC title.
Your team MUST NOT have lost more than 1 regular season game.
Your team MUST have competed in and won your conference championship game.
IMO, the new system, however it may be configured, must be fair to all NCAA teams, regardless of conference affiliation. From then, you can take the top 4 teams with the #1 playing the #3, #2 playing #4, then the winners of each of those 2 games play each other. The winner of that game is the NC Title Champ.
My playoff system would be an 8 team tournament consisting of the big 5 conference champions (SEC, Pac-10, Big 10, Big 12, ACC), plus three at large teams. If implemented this year, and assuming the at large teams would be selected by BCS ranking, the line-up would be:
1) Ohio State (Big Ten Champion)
8) Wake Forest (ACC Champion)
3) Michigan (At Large)
6) Loiusville (At Large)
4) LSU (At Large)
5) USC (Pac-10 Champion)
2) Florida (SEC Champion)
7) Oklahoma (Big 12 Champion)
To preserve the bowl system as much as possible, I'd have the first round take place the week leading up to Christmas, with the games being called the Cotton, Citrus, Peach, and Fiesta Bowls.
The semifinals would take place on New Years, and the championship a week later. The three games would alternate between the Rose, Sugar, and Orange Bowls.
1) Ohio State (Big Ten Champion)
8) Wake Forest (ACC Champion)
3) Michigan (At Large)
6) Loiusville (At Large)
4) LSU (At Large)
5) USC (Pac-10 Champion)
2) Florida (SEC Champion)
7) Oklahoma (Big 12 Champion)
To preserve the bowl system as much as possible, I'd have the first round take place the week leading up to Christmas, with the games being called the Cotton, Citrus, Peach, and Fiesta Bowls.
The semifinals would take place on New Years, and the championship a week later. The three games would alternate between the Rose, Sugar, and Orange Bowls.
Dale is right on. Take 8 teams and it takes 3 weeks to do it. Cut out one regular season game, down to 10.
You can still have the 50+ bowl games, too. Anyone who didn't make the field of 8 can still go the Silicone Valley-Hooters Bowl, or whatever joke of a bowl and it won't diminish it one bit. People will still travel to see their team play, even if it's not for a championship.
You can still have the 50+ bowl games, too. Anyone who didn't make the field of 8 can still go the Silicone Valley-Hooters Bowl, or whatever joke of a bowl and it won't diminish it one bit. People will still travel to see their team play, even if it's not for a championship.
Count me out of the push for a playoff. Call me old fashioned, but I miss the days of letting the polls decide the NC. Right now, we essentially have a 2-team playoff and the argument is over who is really deserving to be #2. In any playoff system that argument will be transferred down the line to which team should be the last one in the playoffs. Teams should just schedule the toughest games possible, join the toughest conferences, play hard, and win them all.
My ideal situation would be:
16 team playoff
13 conference champions - the champion of every conference will be represented, silencing all the whining from the smaller guys
3 at large teams - allows for the Michigans, LSUs, USCs, NDs a shot
1st round games (maybe even 1st 2 rounds) would be played at the higher seed's home stadium. This not only is a reward for beating/scheduling tough opponents, it also reduces the amount of travel required by the fan base. Asking the fans of the teams in the champ game to travel 4 times is a bit much.
16 team playoff
13 conference champions - the champion of every conference will be represented, silencing all the whining from the smaller guys
3 at large teams - allows for the Michigans, LSUs, USCs, NDs a shot
1st round games (maybe even 1st 2 rounds) would be played at the higher seed's home stadium. This not only is a reward for beating/scheduling tough opponents, it also reduces the amount of travel required by the fan base. Asking the fans of the teams in the champ game to travel 4 times is a bit much.
No Playoff keep the bowls!!!
nobody said anything about getting rid of bowls. relax.
DaleC said to keep the bowls.
you just screwed boise state with your scenario. in a 8 game playoff there would always be someone left out. plus it would make the regular season mean nothing and seem unimportant. all you have to do is win the conference and you are in? i like the bowls + 1 idea. the fact is no one will ever be happy with anything anyone can come up with.
Why does Boise State get left out? If Florida beats tOSU and Boise beats Oklahoma, would you be advocated BSU be the champions? They'd have a legit point.
Any playoff composed of X number of teams should take the best X teams, period. No leaving out one of the top X teams for a lower ranked team that "won a conference"
There is no reason polls should ever decided a national championship. That's why they don't decide the champion in any other football division in college or the pros.
You really think stuff like 1966 was fair?
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Yes, BSU would have an argument but the polls would not make them NC. As for 1966, no I don't think it was fair. A playoff would fix problems like that but not the problem of the first team left out crying about how unfair the playoff system is.
My point is that there will always be problems with any system and I just prefer the polls and the tradition of bowl games to a playoff.
Well, I was just using the BCS's rankings, which was the reason Boise State was left off. In an ideal world, however, Boise State wouldn't be competeing with Ohio State for the same national championship. From a purely compeptitive standpoint, a lot of these schools should be in a different classification.
If you're going to have a playoff, the think conference titles are the best way to determine the participants. There would be no waiting or guessing about how to get in, it would be spelled out exactly. The human element would come in when choosing the at large teams, and there will always be controversy then, but it's worth it to get deserving contenders like Michigan or LSU in the mix. Besides, a little controversy is fun once in a while.
One thing I don't like about the current system is that Number 3 has no chance. In the old days, a team could vault from number 4 or 5 to national champion after bowl day. Keeping the current system, I'd like to see a setup like this:
Top two teams within x BCS percentage points of each other (like last year): Bowl features 1 vs 2.
Top three teams within x BCS percentage points of each other (like this year): Bowls feature 1 vs 3, 2 vs 4.
This way, number 3 (or even 4) has a chance at the title if #1 gets beat and they put up an impressive performance. It would bring back the days of waiting for the poll results to see if #3 won or the 2 vs 4 winner took the NC.
I would probably prefer this system to a playoff. Despite how silly and backward it is, the bowl system has a charm that is unique to college football.
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I hold with the traditionalists on this one. I don't want a playoff and I can't stand the system we have. Nothing irritates me more than watching a one of the big 4 bowls and with the stands 75% full because the games mean nothing. I'm for going back to the old bowl tie ins and having the Big 4 on New Year's Day. That was a great system. The controversies gave it life!
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