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This ^^^

FWIW, I agree with all the above. And really with most of the posts in this thread.

But flipping the coin for a moment - since its clear there ARE plenty of "P-5" teams that suck worse than Sunbelt teams,
AND there are plenty of "respectable" mid-major FBS programs that would pose no more threat to Alabama than a team like The Citadel or Mercer - then Why oh Why must Alabama continue to schedule LOWER DIVISION PROGRAMS???

Frankly, its embarrassing, and its a FRAUD and a RIP-OFF for season ticket holders. Tide Pride and season tickets are not cheap - and it simply adds insult to injury to pay real money to watch a pathetic scrimmage, where the biggest question of the day is simply whether any Alabama starter will be injured in their brief first half appearance.
So sick of hearing this. If you would bother to research the availability of FBS teams on the next to last weekend in the season, you would not only know why, but you would also understand why Bama schedules FCS teams on this weekend. They have no other choice.

I did that research in 2016. Didn't bother in 2017 because the results would have been the same. In 2016, there were 128 FBS schools. ONE HUNDRED of them were playing conference games on that weekend. Thirteen of the remaining 28 were SEC schools. None of the remaining fifteen schools would have been willing to come to Alabama on that weekend because they all have ADs with at least half of a brain that would consider Tuscaloosa, Alabama as the last place in CFB they would have their football team playing and needing two wins to become Bowl eligible.
 
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I think CNS has dialed many P-5 numbers to get a home and home and has been told that they would get back to him. He is all about raising the bar but nobody wants to play Bama. We have to pay to get Mercers and Ga States to come into BDS to benefit the local community by the way instead of season ticket holders. Not many teams are willing to give up a home game to travel half way across the country to get beat up physically and have to endure the rest of the season with the Bama Syndrome. Only a few come to mind that will or have in recent years, like Oklahoma and Penn St. He has tried to do that but few will do it. Maybe USC would, maybe Washington. Maybe the U. But he CAN get them to a neutral site and have some one else pay for a one off, which really benefits our players. The SEC needs to go to a 9 game schedule with a 2nd bye week now, and we wouldn't look so different. I would like to see us play a home and home with say a member of the Pac 14 each year until we've played all of them and then move on to the Big the next year and so on.
 

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So many things to say here.....


1) If anyone - I mean ANYONE on this board - still believes the mouths with microphones have any influence on the committee, you need to time travel back to around 1137 am on the morning of December 3, 2017, when the Joel Splatts, Danny Whinells and Jesse Plumbers of the world saw Alabama chosen over Ohio St. It doesn't matter what they're saying folks - too many of you are letting the publicly branded group Idiots Without Influence have too much over your mind and emotions.

Both y'all AND the idiots need to accept the reality that it's literally nothing but talk.

2) I don't give a damn how many Power 5 teams we play and - truth be told - neither do the Idiots.

Here's a problem that really makes me wish I could be on one of these pundit shows, and it has nothing at all to do with Alabama so much as the fact that unlike the trolls, I actually do my homework.

The common objection we just had went like this:
Alabama didn't win it's conference/division
Alabama played Mercer
Alabama played one less conference game than Ohio State (technically, two)

I never understood this emotional nonsense. First of all, there is NO REQUIREMENT to win your conference, making that argument meaningless. But nobody wanted to point out "but so did Auburn" to these folks. I don't know if most folks didn't know that or not, but the argument was combined together: Auburn played Clemson (but they lost so who cares), Auburn played a tougher schedule (which was true, but they also lost THREE games), and now for the kicker.......does ANYONE here actually believe that if we had played South Carolina, Kentucky, Missouri, OR Florida (pick one) that the game would have even been close? (I leave out UGA because that's the one team they'd have said Alabama should have played - and now we did, so...)


Furthermore, the post-UCF nonsense is proof positive that even the Mouths don't believe what they're saying.

They're complaining that Alabama played Mercer but should have played a Power 5 team.
AND they're complaining that you can't blame UCF because P5 teams won't play them.
BUT if Alabama had played UCF instead of Mercer and beat the socks off them, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.


This is the parallel of my other favorite nonsense argument, "Alabama doesn't play road games outside of the Southeast."

So. The. Hell. What?

And what some pundit needs to finally point out (you'd think Clay Travis of all people would make this point) is that this is nothing but excuse making and arguing by suggestion. Even the nutbags making the argument don't ACTUALLY believe that if Alabama went to Manhattan, Kansas in late November that K-State would beat us. But they're pretending that that's exactly what they believe. They just hope you fill in the blanks with the nonsense suggestion of "Alabama is afraid of Ohio State." Someone needs to say - when this comes up - "give me the names of the teams you actually think wouldbeat Alabama in a home game" because they have the same 2-3 teams at most but are pretending like there's this big group of winners outside the South.


3) the same pundits before the season that thought Florida St was going to make the playoff and set up a rematch were the same ones who flipped and said FSU wasn't any good.

(They always ignored the fact that Alabama had a lot to do with FSU's season not being so good).


(One more thing as far as this home game Big Ten weather argument......even THEY don't actually the nonsense you hear from some of their fans. If they do then why do they always the Big Ten championship game INDOORS?)

Despite the suggestion that Alabama playing Wisconsin at Camp Randall would be like staging a football game on Hoth during the Imperial invasion scene, it's rare even for Big Ten teams to actually play in a November snowfall. It happens, but it's rare.
 

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If you thought we were on fumes this year headed into the Auburn game, lets put a good team in that Mercer slot. We wouldn't be howling about another National Title. These kids can't handle 12 high level opponents in a year. I understand what you are saying, but there wouldn't be a problem getting season tickets if we played tougher opponents week after week. Losing a couple or three games a year would change the demand for tickets.
Respectfully, "no sale" on a LOT of accounts.

Again, remember, I am NOT suggesting we schedule Ohio State or Oklahoma the weekend before aubarn!!!! NOT AT ALL!
What I'm saying is, there are FBS teams that are NO MORE THREATENING than Mercer that could be scheduled. So I am NOT advocating for a "tough" game that weekend!!! NOT AT ALL!!!

Now, a couple points about this "on fumes" business:
(1) We LOST to the boogs, remember? Suppose we HAD played Ohio State the weekend prior. How would That have been any worse than the abysmal flop we witnessed after a bye week and an embarrassing scrimmage game against Mercer??????

(2) We didn't lose to aubarn because our team was "tired" or "on fumes" - we lost due to injuries suffered against FRU and LSux, AND Especially due to the TOTAL ABSENCE of an effective passing game.
PERIOD.
Fatigue had (little to) nothing to do with it.

(3) IF it was "impossible" to perform well in week 13 after playing an FBS team the prior weekend, HOW do you account for aubarn playing an FBS team, UL Monroe, on Nov. 18, then comeing out seven days later and handing our butts to us, the eventual National Champion???????

SURELY you are not suggesting that aub has a better team, better coaching, better conditioning than Alabama, right???

So it THEY can do it, why can't WE???
Respectfully.
 

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Frankly, I am not sure why any Alabama fan would argue that Alabama needs to play a tougher schedule. You played your weakest schedule in a decade last year, lost the last game of the year to Auburn, failed to even make it into the SECCG coming in 3rd in the SEC overall, and still won the championship.

You are Alabama. You get the benefit of the doubt. A weak schedule is not going to hurt you unless you lose to a weak team - when was the last time that happened to Alabama?

Being undefeated in a P5 conference is the goal, and it guarantees a slot in the CFP. The easier the road to that, the better.

Just win.
 

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So sick of hearing this. If you would bother to research the availability of FBS teams on the next to last weekend in the season, you would not only know why, but you would also understand why Bama schedules FCS teams on this weekend. They have no other choice.

I did that research in 2016. Didn't bother in 2017 because the results would have been the same. In 2016, there were 128 FBS schools. ONE HUNDRED of them were playing conference games on that weekend. Thirteen of the remaining 28 were SEC schools. None of the remaining fifteen schools would have been willing to come to Alabama on that weekend because they all have ADs with at least half of a brain that would consider Tuscaloosa, Alabama as the last place in CFB they would have their football team playing and needing two wins to become Bowl eligible.
Respectfully - Of Course all those teams are playing on that weekend. I'm not talking about trying to schedule a November game by calling around in October!

Games are scheduled In Advance. Funny that the boogs WERE able to schedule an FBS team for the same weekend we played Mercer!
And its not just aub!

This coming fall, on November 17 we will play FCS embarrassment "The Citadel" (a team that might struggle against Hoover HS).
On that same date,
UGa will play FBS (Independent) UMass - Not a team that will challenge them in the least, but STILL an FBS program.
LSux will play FBS (Conf.USA) Rice.
aTm will play FBS (Conf.USA) UAb.
Kentucky will play FBS (Conf.USA) MTSU.
Florida will play FBS (Sunbelt) Idaho.
And I expect that all Five of these SEC teams will win by double digits, most of them in one-sided blowouts.

Six SEC teams (MSu, Ark, Old Mess, Vandy, Mizzou, & UcheaT) will play SEC games.
And only THREE (3) SEC teams will stoop to playing lower division opponents: the barners, USCe, and the "Defending National Champion" Alabama Crimson Tide.

So, respectfully, if FIVE SEC teams are somehow able to schedule FBS games for that weekend, I'd suggest to you that it's not impossible, or even improbable, that such games can be scheduled.
 

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So many things to say here.....


1) If anyone - I mean ANYONE on this board - still believes the mouths with microphones have any influence on the committee, you need to time travel back to around 1137 am on the morning of December 3, 2017, when the Joel Splatts, Danny Whinells and Jesse Plumbers of the world saw Alabama chosen over Ohio St. It doesn't matter what they're saying folks - too many of you are letting the publicly branded group Idiots Without Influence have too much over your mind and emotions.

Both y'all AND the idiots need to accept the reality that it's literally nothing but talk.
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Respectfully, my objection to playing Lower Division programs has NOTHING to do with what the idiots on ESPiN talk about, what other conferences or other schools may do, or EVEN what the "Double Secret Committee" may think.

It's about doing what's right, and about treating the fans like paying customers instead of like dirt.

I've never suggest that Alabama "Needs" to play a NC contender - or even a good P-5 team that weekend. NEVER have I said that.

All I've said is - its disgraceful for a program that's clearly in the hunt for a NC almost every year to be scheduling lower division opponents EVER.
 

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Respectfully, my objection to playing Lower Division programs has NOTHING to do with what the idiots on ESPiN talk about, what other conferences or other schools may do, or EVEN what the "Double Secret Committee" may think.

It's about doing what's right, and about treating the fans like paying customers instead of like dirt.

I've never suggest that Alabama "Needs" to play a NC contender - or even a good P-5 team that weekend. NEVER have I said that.

All I've said is - its disgraceful for a program that's clearly in the hunt for a NC almost every year to be scheduling lower division opponents EVER.
Tom,

I’m inclined to explain economics and exactly WHY the Mercer game is good for amateur athletics, which is what this is, but I’m not sure that reality makes a difference.

Mercer is a private Baptist school of 8,600 students in Macon, GA. My uncle attended there and graduated sometime around 1964 (I’m not totally sure of the date). Mercer gets to take a cheap bus ride over to Tuscaloosa (285 Miles), play a little game on TV (which generates a little), get the BDS experience and drive back home with $1.5 million for their school. They then do that with Auburn. Alabama and Auburn get the guaranteed win, a week to try out the depth chart, and save money in the process.

It’s win/win and - most important - Mercer U gets to stay open and educate the next generation. Fact is that schools like Mercer NEED the game; this is one of those rarities where we get to help them out. It’s economics.

It seems (no reflection on you) that people have an unreality both on this issue AND the 8-team playoff. These are UNPAID (legally) college students. Adding games is absurd.

I used to hate the little schools until I realized why they need the game. Not every school can field a team to capture the money.


As far as your DSC comments - I think they’re misplaced given what came out of this year. I’m currently working on an article about the 1993 national title debacle; if you think a Committee is trouble just wait until I show the ruse that went on that year.
 

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Respectfully - Of Course all those teams are playing on that weekend. I'm not talking about trying to schedule a November game by calling around in October!

Games are scheduled In Advance. Funny that the boogs WERE able to schedule an FBS team for the same weekend we played Mercer!
And its not just aub!

This coming fall, on November 17 we will play FCS embarrassment "The Citadel" (a team that might struggle against Hoover HS).
On that same date,
UGa will play FBS (Independent) UMass - Not a team that will challenge them in the least, but STILL an FBS program.
LSux will play FBS (Conf.USA) Rice.
aTm will play FBS (Conf.USA) UAb.
Kentucky will play FBS (Conf.USA) MTSU.
Florida will play FBS (Sunbelt) Idaho.
And I expect that all Five of these SEC teams will win by double digits, most of them in one-sided blowouts.

Six SEC teams (MSu, Ark, Old Mess, Vandy, Mizzou, & UcheaT) will play SEC games.
And only THREE (3) SEC teams will stoop to playing lower division opponents: the barners, USCe, and the "Defending National Champion" Alabama Crimson Tide.

So, respectfully, if FIVE SEC teams are somehow able to schedule FBS games for that weekend, I'd suggest to you that it's not impossible, or even improbable, that such games can be scheduled.
I am well aware of when games are scheduled. Don't even know why you feel the need to make that remark. What part of one hundred teams having 50 mandated conference games scheduled and not being available to schedule an OOC game do you not understand? Only 3 of the 15 left available to schedule an OOC game were not playing that weekend also. None of them were willing to schedule a game in Tuscaloosa when they made out their schedule.

As for other SEC teams playing FBS opponents on the next to last weekend, I have yet to see one that I would prefer Bama play rather than the FCS one scheduled. Saban said Mercer was scheduled because a FBS opponent could not be found. I believe him, and I also believe if one had been found, they would have been no better than Mercer.
 
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Tom,

I’m inclined to explain economics and exactly WHY the Mercer game is good for amateur athletics, which is what this is, but I’m not sure that reality makes a difference.

Mercer is a private Baptist school of 8,600 students in Macon, GA. My uncle attended there and graduated sometime around 1964 (I’m not totally sure of the date). Mercer gets to take a cheap bus ride over to Tuscaloosa (285 Miles), play a little game on TV (which generates a little), get the BDS experience and drive back home with $1.5 million for their school. They then do that with Auburn. Alabama and Auburn get the guaranteed win, a week to try out the depth chart, and save money in the process.

It’s win/win and - most important - Mercer U gets to stay open and educate the next generation. Fact is that schools like Mercer NEED the game; this is one of those rarities where we get to help them out. It’s economics.

It seems (no reflection on you) that people have an unreality both on this issue AND the 8-team playoff. These are UNPAID (legally) college students. Adding games is absurd.

I used to hate the little schools until I realized why they need the game. Not every school can field a team to capture the money.


As far as your DSC comments - I think they’re misplaced given what came out of this year. I’m currently working on an article about the 1993 national title debacle; if you think a Committee is trouble just wait until I show the ruse that went on that year.
My big take away from this statement was you not being sure of the date.
 

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(One more thing as far as this home game Big Ten weather argument......even THEY don't actually the nonsense you hear from some of their fans. If they do then why do they always the Big Ten championship game INDOORS?)
Thank You!!! I hate that "well you need to play us in November, in the cold" garbage. Why would anyone want to do that?????? So Alabama should have to play LSU, MiSS state, and auburn, and sandwich a game at Penn State in between somewhere because Big Ten fans need validation about how tough they are?
 

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If you thought we were on fumes this year headed into the Auburn game, lets put a good team in that Mercer slot. We wouldn't be howling about another National Title. These kids can't handle 12 high level opponents in a year. I understand what you are saying, but there wouldn't be a problem getting season tickets if we played tougher opponents week after week. Losing a couple or three games a year would change the demand for tickets.
Thank you. These guys do not need to play top 30 opponents every stinking week. Our schedule is almost always one of the toughest in the country due to the fact that we play in the SEC. Period. There may be a few years here and there where the schedule suffers a bit, but playing AU, LSU, UT, A&M, MSU, Arky, and Ole Miss every single year provides a demanding schedule. Once we add in a rotating couple of SEC games and then maybe a tough OOC game, we need a few Mercers and Fresno States on the schedule, not to mention those teams are better than some of the bottom feeder power 5 teams anyway.
 

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Thank You!!! I hate that "well you need to play us in November, in the cold" garbage. Why would anyone want to do that?????? So Alabama should have to play LSU, MiSS state, and auburn, and sandwich a game at Penn State in between somewhere because Big Ten fans need validation about how tough they are?
I've deep sixed more than one of that lame excuse with these:


"Excuse me, but isn't your conference a bunch of whiny pouty folks demanding to get to play in Pasadena, California every January 1st, where the temperature averages 57.9 degrees with not a snowball in sight?"

"That might be true....but then again, Big Ten teams don't play in Bryant-Denny Stadium in August, either."
 

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My big take away from this statement was you not being sure of the date.
Well, I wasn't born yet, and I have to estimate that my uncle is five years older than my Mom but also went to graduate school so.....I honestly don't know when he finished....
 

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Well, I wasn't born yet, and I have to estimate that my uncle is five years older than my Mom but also went to graduate school so.....I honestly don't know when he finished....
I thought that was what is was. I figured with your memory you had to see it or read about it for it to be locked in forever.
 

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No stats or data here, just my opinion. I had rather play Rutgers, Oregon State, Kansas, Syracuse, Baylor than group of five. It just looks and feels better to me.
 

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No stats or data here, just my opinion. I had rather play Rutgers, Oregon State, Kansas, Syracuse, Baylor than group of five. It just looks and feels better to me.
In the past the PAC 10/12 teams have used SEC schools as if they were ATM machines. Especially in the years in which they were playing 5 conference home games and 4 away games. Have been very receptive in not requiring a return game. Last of these was Washington State at the barn in 2013. Came without requiring a return game even though they played 5 conference away games that year.
 

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