Question: "Prisoners run the prison." Can we no longer infer meaning to phrases?

AlexanderFan

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I'm referring to the NFL owner who had to grovel and apologize over this phrase he uttered during the NFL meeting regarding the National Anthem. I took it to mean you can't the people staying in the place run the place. I typically say something similar (Clowns ready to leave the circus, inmates ready to leave the asylum, etc.) Do people not see the meaning behind the words? Do NFL players really feel like they have something in common with prisoners? If so, wow.


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CharminTide

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Yeah, no idea why black players would feel offended when a rich white man uses language that asserts his ownership over them.

No matter how you parse his words, it was a dumb thing to say, and he was right to immediately walk it back.
 

Bodhisattva

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I'm referring to the NFL owner who had to grovel and apologize over this phrase he uttered during the NFL meeting regarding the National Anthem. I took it to mean you can't the people staying in the place run the place. I typically say something similar (Clowns ready to leave the circus, inmates ready to leave the asylum, etc.) Do people not see the meaning behind the words? Do NFL players really feel like they have something in common with prisoners? If so, wow.


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I regularly use the phrase "the inmates are running the asylum." A lot of people looking to be offended in these tender times.
 

AlexanderFan

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Yeah, no idea why black players would feel offended when a rich white man uses language that asserts his ownership over them.

No matter how you parse his words, it was a dumb thing to say, and he was right to immediately walk it back.
Do wardens own prisoners? Looking for reasons to be offended.


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I regularly use the phrase "the inmates are running the asylum." A lot of people looking to be offended in these tender times.
I've used the same phrase lots of times.

As I've said before, when it comes to race, we, as a society, have zero ability to discuss things rationally.
The inmates run the asylum.

As for the players, if they want to end the oppression of being paid millions to play a game, they are always free to walk right out the door whenever they please. Some oppression...
 

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Meh.. There are thousands of people who are damn good at their jobs that get treated with less than respect everyday....for a helluva lot less money and glory. Most often, they are told that if they don’t like it, there’s the door.

Here’s another old saying..

The squeaky wheel doesn’t always get the grease, sometimes it gets replaced.


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CrimsonNagus

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His statement was not racist, not even close. Unfortunately, no matter what he would have said would have been taken as racist these days. At this point you either agree with the players or you are racist. That's how the left views things now, no middle ground, no room for discussion. You are with them or you are an ignorant racist bigot.
 

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I'm referring to the NFL owner who had to grovel and apologize over this phrase he uttered during the NFL meeting regarding the National Anthem. I took it to mean you can't the people staying in the place run the place. I typically say something similar (Clowns ready to leave the circus, inmates ready to leave the asylum, etc.) Do people not see the meaning behind the words? Do NFL players really feel like they have something in common with prisoners? If so, wow.


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Well, it's cool that he picked up on it immediately, and it was a poorly used cliche before a group of self-appointed victims who need no prompting to go into full acting mode.


Just like Christians who reduce the claims of Jesus by thinking finding a parking spot is a modern-day 'miracle' and just like global warming alarmists who find the need for heavy government control of every action we have under every tree (SWIDT?), the "everything is racist" folks ultimately hurt the REAL victims of ACTUAL racism with this nonsense.


And any player who said anything other than something about the owner having a First Amendment right to express himself is a stinking hypocrite anyway. No, that's not what the 1A means, but you can put it in the categories above, too.
 

Relayer

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There is nothing racist and there was nothing stupid about the owner's statement, as it happens to pretty accurately reflect the situation.

It's just the unfortunate reality that in this day and age truth doesn't often carry the day. There has never been a more privileged, arrogant, wealthy bunch of "victims" than these pro football players.

My only beef is that I wish he had the guts to stand up behind his statement and tell everyone to get screwed.
 

CharminTide

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Do wardens own prisoners? Looking for reasons to be offended.
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All I'm saying is that I can see how some might dislike that characterization. Since it's typically considered bad management to upset the employees your organisation requires to function en masse, what he said was dumb. And he obviously recognizes that.
 

Tide1986

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All I'm saying is that I can see how some might dislike that characterization. Since it's typically considered bad management to upset the employees your organisation requires to function en masse, what he said was dumb. And he obviously recognizes that.
I can see how just about anyone can choose to dislike just about anything, especially the weak-minded.
 

LA4Bama

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Well, I often take the side of the tough-minded, but I have to agree with the tender-hearted this time. The phrase "inmates running the prison" is a terrible metaphor in context. Inmates running the asylum is the phrase, and even then it might be insensitive. Inmates running the "prison", for a group of black men protesting, are you kidding me??! This is a gaffe beyond measure. Like jbama said, with prison being how it is, that just piles on. It is more than stupid. It is racist. Not racist = lynching. But racist = privileged superiority, yes, it is. It is a hostile phrase in context. I'm sure the man didn't "mean" it that that, but that callousness and lack of awareness of the meaning is pretty much what people mean by "soft" racism. As a person who is not pro-kaepernick and not a fan of kneeling during the anthem, I can say this comment is bad and should bother objective people.

Edit: I want to add, about the OP question about inferring meaning, I agree with the general point. We should definitely put things in context. This time is no different. It's just that the more you infer meaning, the worse this one gets. I want the world to have more space for a good gestured joke, some clever humor, and biting political sarcasm. But to preserve the space for serious and friendly humor we do have to draw the line somewhere when the time comes, and I would draw it here. This was not funny, witty, clever, or poignant. It was mean and stupid.
 
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