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AFTide

AFTide

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Alright tidefans... :bs_help:

I have a question regarding the famous sack by Cornelius Bennett on Steve Beurlein. I had always heard growing up that Beurlein was so woozy after the sack that he lined up under guard the next play. Now I was watching a highlight clip on Youtube today and it looked like he fumbled and biscuit recovered it. I was like 4 when it happened and I have never actually seen anything in that game other than the sack itself. So... Did he really line up under guard the next play? Thanks in advance!
 
AFTide said:
Alright tidefans... :bs_help:

I have a question regarding the famous sack by Cornelius Bennett on Steve Beurlein. I had always heard growing up that Beurlein was so woozy after the sack that he lined up under guard the next play. Now I was watching a highlight clip on Youtube today and it looked like he fumbled and biscuit recovered it. I was like 4 when it happened and I have never actually seen anything in that game other than the sack itself. So... Did he really line up under guard the next play? Thanks in advance!
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Um, I don't remember.

He was woozy, no doubt there. If I recall correctly he stayed in for the following snap and then never returned. I don't recall that he lined up under the guard, but then again it has been 20+ years now. I'm sure someone else will be able to clarify.

Now there was a fumble, no doubt about it. Beuerlein fumbled, and Bennett recovered it. The refs did not rule a fumble, but it obviously was. It's plain as day on the game film, you can even see it on the YouTube clip. We got screwed on that call, but it really didn't matter anyway, we rolled them nevertheless.

Oddly enough, it probably worked out well for him as it turned out. Beuerlein was having a terrible day against us anyway, even with Tim Brown at his disposal, and he was in big trouble regardless. I think he was something like 5-16 when he left the game.
 
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Yes , he did fumble and the officials were the only people with eyes who missed it .
I'll have to break out the tape to answer the rest .
 
He was an announcer for one of the Bama games (this year?) and I seem to remember him saying something about lining up in the wrong place on the next play........at any rate he said it was the hardest hit he EVER took!!
 
It turned out to be a good thing that the refs didn't call it a fumble. I think Richardson returned the following punt for a TD.
 
Someone mentioned earlier Beuerlein talking about the game during a broadcast. That kind of rings a bell. I want to say I've heard him say before that he almost lined up under the wrong person, but that one of his teammates moved him in the right direction.

As for the Richardson punt return... I don't think that is how it happened. Richardson took that punt back mid-way through the first quarter, and that was before the Bennett hit, if I recall correctly. Beuerlein threw a touchdown pass in the game in the second quarter, and he never returned after the sack, so that wouldn't be right.

I can't remember what happened after the Sack, but it wasn't the Richardson punt return, I'm pretty sure of that.
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_WhYurBrH1E

Just follow the ball, and you can see it is easily out. There is simply no question about it. That ball is out in the same obvious manner that Van Tiffin's kick went through the uprights at the end of the 1985 Iron Bowl. End of discussion.

I really don't see how terrible officiating should surprise anyone.
 
And that is exactly why we have instant replay nowadays, ladies and gentlemen. What a horrible call...
 
BrettStah said:
And that is exactly why we have instant replay nowadays, ladies and gentlemen. What a horrible call...
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Sad thing is, even with instant replay, we still have a ton of horrible calls. Even when they get the calls right on reviewable plays -- not always a given, either -- that still doesn't account for all of the terrible calls that result from non-reviewable plays.

Personally, I'm shocked when I see good officiating.
 
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BigEasyTider said:
Sad thing is, even with instant replay, we still have a ton of horrible calls. Even when they get the calls right on re-viewable plays -- not always a given, either -- that still doesn't account for all of the terrible calls that result from non-re-viewable plays.

Personally, I'm shocked when I see good officiating.
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I'm not enthralled with how instant replay is done (either in college or the NFL), but overall I'll take an imperfect instant replay system over no instant replay system.

My preferred system would have a replay booth staffed by 1 or 3 replay officials (so that there can be no stalemates on decisions), with multiple monitors that get feeds from all cameras. A Tivo-like device would record everything from all cameras, and the replay official(s) would be able to rewind, fast-forward, play back in slow-motion, pause, etc., and all of the recorded video from all of those cameras would be kept in sync automatically.

The replay official(s) would obviously watch every play, and a replay from all cameras would happen as soon as a play is ended. If something about the play is not clear to the replay official(s), the on-field refs can be quickly notified to pause the game. The replay official(s) would then quickly re-watch the play for up to 30 seconds (unless there's a TV timeout that winds up taking place when the game is paused - in that case, they have a little more time). After 30 seconds, the decision is sent down to the on-field officials, and the ball should be ready to be snapped within another 30 seconds.

So I'd take away the replay decisions completely from the coaches and on-field officials, put a hard cap on the amount of time the replay crew could delay the game, and hopefully improve the flow of the game while getting the right call made.
 
BrettStah said:
I'm not enthralled with how instant replay is done (either in college or the NFL), but overall I'll take an imperfect instant replay system over no instant replay system.

My preferred system would have a replay booth staffed by 1 or 3 replay officials (so that there can be no stalemates on decisions), with multiple monitors that get feeds from all cameras. A Tivo-like device would record everything from all cameras, and the replay official(s) would be able to rewind, fast-forward, play back in slow-motion, pause, etc., and all of the recorded video from all of those cameras would be kept in sync automatically.

The replay official(s) would obviously watch every play, and a replay from all cameras would happen as soon as a play is ended. If something about the play is not clear to the replay official(s), the on-field refs can be quickly notified to pause the game. The replay official(s) would then quickly re-watch the play for up to 30 seconds (unless there's a TV timeout that winds up taking place when the game is paused - in that case, they have a little more time). After 30 seconds, the decision is sent down to the on-field officials, and the ball should be ready to be snapped within another 30 seconds.

So I'd take away the replay decisions completely from the coaches and on-field officials, put a hard cap on the amount of time the replay crew could delay the game, and hopefully improve the flow of the game while getting the right call made.
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That makes too much sense. Probably the reason it doesn't work that way:wink:
 
Given the fact that I was an eyewitness on the scene that day, (I was at that game sitting in the student section that afternoon), I honestly don't remember--he may have initially lined up wrong, but it was not a factor in the game--suffice it to say he was cleanly hit by Bennett and the fact that he might have suffered a mild concussion would not surprise me at all, given the manner and way he was taken to the turf. Other than the hit by OU defender Scott Hill against eventual Heisman winnerTony Dorsett in the OU/Pitt Game of 1975, it remains the most memorable tackle to me in the last 35 yrs of watching college football...
 
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When he was telling that story during the Bama broadcast, I think I recall him saying that his teammates told him that he went back to the huddle and was calling plays from when he was in high school. Does anyone else remember that?
 
cooleddie said:
When he was telling that story during the Bama broadcast, I think I recall him saying that his teammates told him that he went back to the huddle and was calling plays from when he was in high school. Does anyone else remember that?
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Now that is true. I have heard that several different times.
 
BrettStah said:
I'm not enthralled with how instant replay is done (either in college or the NFL), but overall I'll take an imperfect instant replay system over no instant replay system.

My preferred system would have a replay booth staffed by 1 or 3 replay officials (so that there can be no stalemates on decisions), with multiple monitors that get feeds from all cameras. A Tivo-like device would record everything from all cameras, and the replay official(s) would be able to rewind, fast-forward, play back in slow-motion, pause, etc., and all of the recorded video from all of those cameras would be kept in sync automatically.

The replay official(s) would obviously watch every play, and a replay from all cameras would happen as soon as a play is ended. If something about the play is not clear to the replay official(s), the on-field refs can be quickly notified to pause the game. The replay official(s) would then quickly re-watch the play for up to 30 seconds (unless there's a TV timeout that winds up taking place when the game is paused - in that case, they have a little more time). After 30 seconds, the decision is sent down to the on-field officials, and the ball should be ready to be snapped within another 30 seconds.

So I'd take away the replay decisions completely from the coaches and on-field officials, put a hard cap on the amount of time the replay crew could delay the game, and hopefully improve the flow of the game while getting the right call made.
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And with this system, you just destroyed the no huddle/hurry up offense and games will take forever.

I have always thought the "reveiw every play" system where the officials decide if its reveiwed or not is far too imperfect.

It allows officials even more control of the game.

I favor a system where coaches have challenges they can use per half, and once they are used up, no more challenges.

And in the last 2 minutes of the game, officials can call for a review of a play if it's deemed necessary.

Give each coach a challenge per time out- use up timeouts, no challenge, incorrectly challenge, lose a time out.

For instance, against LSU, the catch that was reversed would not have been left up to officials to determine whether it should be looked at, but LSU could have challenged. If LSU chose not to challenge, then the play stands as called.

I just think that with the current system, we have Big Brother always lurking with an opportunity to control the game, instead of just officiating it.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, even if today's replay system were used when "The Sack" occurred, it would not have been a reviewable play since the official did not declare a fumble on the play. So, having replay would not have helped us on that play anyway. Please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
 
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